Val's Demon/Pain Tankerminding Build - comments and advice, please!

Please find build bellow. I found myself horifyingly starved for powers and slots, by virtue of taking all 3 personal attacks from my primary (and, indeed, the entire primary). This is not merely vanity (although it does look awesome) - the -res debuff of "hellfire" effects is so good it hurts!

It did lead to some tough choices, though. Several powers, from Corruption, to Anguishing Cry, to all-important Stamina are under-slotted to provide the IOs. On the powers angle, Soothe and Painbringer, two powers I really would have liked to have, didn't make the cut.

I'm still in anguish over these decisions, so if anyone would lie to propose alternative ways I might have done things, please, please do!

Note that the goals of the build, in terms of slotting, were fairly simple: at east 37.5% ranged defense (enough to soft-cap with a single, tier 1, purple potion), then enough global recharge to make World of Pain perma, and the other long-charge items as close to it as practical, then endurence (this build is already expensive at level 11), then Hit points.


P.S. I can't export color codes? WaaaH!

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Valentyna: Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Summon Demonlings
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(7) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 1: Nullify Pain
(A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
(33) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Heal
(34) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance


Level 2: Corruption
(A) Apocalypse - Damage
(29) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(31) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(31) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(31) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)


Level 4: Lash
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(9) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
(9) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(46) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)


Level 6: Enchant Demon
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 8: Crack Whip
(A) Ragnarok - Damage
(19) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
(21) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(27) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
(29) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance


Level 10: Hasten
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(11) Recharge Reduction IO
(11) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 12: Summon Demons
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(13) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(15) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(17) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 14: Super Speed
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance


Level 16: Swift
(A) Flight Speed IO


Level 18: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery


Level 20: Stamina
(A) Endurance Modification IO
(21) Performance Shifter - EndMod


Level 22: Suppress Pain
(A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(23) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
(23) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(25) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(25) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(27) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery


Level 24: Provoke
(A) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
(34) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge
(34) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge
(36) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range


Level 26: Summon Demon Prince
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(36) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(36) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(37) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(37) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(37) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 28: World of Pain
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(39) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist
(39) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge


Level 30: Assault
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 35: Anguishing Cry
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(40) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Recharge


Level 38: Tactics
(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(39) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(40) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(40) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up


Level 41: Dark Embrace
(A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
(42) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
(42) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
(42) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist


Level 44: Soul Tentacles
(A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
(46) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold


Level 47: Hell on Earth
(A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(50) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
(50) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets


Level 49: Maneuvers
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(50) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure


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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Accuracy IO


Level 1: Sprint
(A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth


Level 2: Rest
(A) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 1: Supremacy
Level 6: Ninja Run

Could you put the data chunk in or the link to throw the build into mids again.

So far I only see minor tweaks:

Stamina, I know the performance shifter proc plus endmod, plus a generic, gives more than three generics. Does the proc plus endmod give more than two endmods? If not, go two generics, no reason to pay more for one set IO when two generics will be identical. If it does, go proc plus endmod.

World of Pain, Save yourself 1 billion Inf: Use a Titanium Coating Res/Rech instead of the Gladiator's Armor. Both go to level 50 and you're not stacking Glad's in that power, so there's no reason to pay the premium. Not to mention you'll be lucky enough to find two glad's available at all unless you already have the contacts.

Looks like you did a good job though. Nice build! I might make a cheaper version of this myself.

Just a shame you can't slot the purple confuse set. Get a bit of everything you want in one place. Recovery, recharge, and the highest ranged defense in the game. though depending on how going rogue turns out, might be able to run heroside, and swap out provoke for world of confusion. =)

datachunk as requested

and thanks for the true advice.

does anone nthink it might be wise to ditch assault for soothe, even if I can only leav eit with one slot? how much is 10% when you really think about it? XD


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Have you played Pain or Empathy before? Although Pain's a bit more offensive minded, lol

Soothe: Your main heal as a Pain/Emp
Share Pain: Optional, will pretty much fully heal whatever you target in one shot, needs minimal slotting (1-2 recharge)
Conduit of Pain: Optional
Enforced Morale: Optional as well, but buffs
Painbringer: Turns whatever you use it on into an almost unstoppable juggernaut, one EndMod slotted in it can defeat nuke crashes.

You're going for Ranged defense bonuses though, so I don't have much to add besides that. Pain is pretty demanding power-selection-wise, under normal circumstances.

I would have liked soothe and painbringer in about that order. Assault is better than pain-bringer, no question - 11% to 8 team members and 7 pets is a much greater addition to damage than 37% to any one person, and although the regeneration is nice, any worthwhile tank will have had to plan to survive whatever you're doing without counting on the presence of a /pain mastermind, unless you're part of a regular supergroup team.

Whether I should take Soothe and drop assault, though, still keeps me up at night (literally, one time - i need help! XD). What i probably will do is simply wait and see whether I find myself needing it at high level. After all, in theory, people should be trying to damage /me/ not my team-mates, but no agro management is air-tight, especially not with pool-power taunts, so one never knows when an errant pet (or team-mate) may need saving. If I find this situation is common enough at high level I'll definitely change yup the build and forgo the 11% damage buff.

Why do you have a flight speed I/O slotted in swift with no flight powers ?

Hmm! Hold over fromwhen the build ahd flight in it, I think. I never noticed! XD Probalby I'll take hurdle, now.

Keep in mind, these are personal opinions, but here are some suggestions:

Pain Domination - Okay, first off, you left most of your support tools on the floor. This is a mistake. At a minimum, you should work in Soothe (single target heals will save you're pet's bacon very often. And the longer they stay alive, the longer YOU stay alive.) Enforced Moral (Heh, you think your pets won't get Mezzed? Your first encounter with Lost or CoT bosses should be quite the eye-opener) and Painbringer (+Regen, +Recovery, +Dam? This plus Hell on Earth on your Demon Prince is probably the main reason to TAKE this combination!)

Personal attacks - While the Whip attacks are much more useful than other Mastermind attacks, taking all three is a bit much. Especially when there are much better powers from your secondary that you SHOULD be taking. I would personally at least drop Lash. Maybe even Corruption.

Slotting the attacks - Um... you do know how anemic that a Mastermind's personal attacks are, right? The ONLY thing these attacks have going for them is the Resist Debuff. You don't need to slot these up so much. If you MUST take these attacks, I wouldn't have more than 3-4 slots in them.

Provoke - You went to a lot of effort to make what looks to me to be a semi-Tankermind. In my experience, /Pain doesn't make a good Tankermind.

Leadership - You know, all these buffs look good on paper. In practice? Your pets aren't going to stay within you Leadership range. To be frank, these are something you should be investing in only when you've got the room and slots, AFTER you've worked the vital powers in.

IO choices - Woof. Nice to know you don't plan on cheap. Now, I'll admit, I'm unusual in this regard - I never plan for slotting Purple sets. While the bonuses are great, I want a character that comes together before level 47. Furthermore, you're planning for slotting Gladiator sets... which indicates that you have the patience of a stone statue. Good luck getting them, though. Might I suggest planning a build that doesn't involve such high-end gear? Set the IOs to 30 or 35, and work out from there. If you can't get a build that you would play with that, you should go back to the drawing board.

All just my opinion, of course. Take with a grain of salt.

Mmm, I think you're right about soothe. I will probably ditch the assault for it. As you point out, those toggles are a lot fo end to run for what they do. I do need maneuvers, and tactics (with its set), though, to reach the defence threshold. I supposeI could go back to flgiht and get 2 copies of BotZ to make up the difference, but don't you find tactics is worth it, at all?

Slotting up perosnal attacks is mroe for the set bonusses than for the extra damage. The damage is just nice. I mgiht as well be doing it as opposed to /nothing/, after-all.

I can't say I agree with you about painbringer though. It would be nice to ahve, but again, I'd rather have assault if I ahd slots to spare, and I'd certainly rather have the -res of the personal attacks. If I weren't planning on absorbing the bulk of the agro myself, the +regen component would be more useful, but I just don't see it as a must have for this build.

My patience (and my budget for gold farmers, when patience runs out), is as close to infinite as makes no difference. Influence is no object. But I appreciat ethe concern.

Incorporating your suggestions, my current build is as follows (may change if I decide ot replace leadership with a 2nd travel pool):


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Valentyna: Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Summon Demonlings
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(7) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 1: Nullify Pain
(A) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Heal


Level 2: Corruption
(A) Apocalypse - Damage
(29) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(31) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(31) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(31) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)


Level 4: Lash
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(9) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
(9) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(46) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)


Level 6: Enchant Demon
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 8: Crack Whip
(A) Ragnarok - Damage
(19) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
(21) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(27) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
(29) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance


Level 10: Hasten
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(11) Recharge Reduction IO
(11) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 12: Summon Demons
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(13) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(15) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(17) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 14: Super Speed
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance


Level 16: Hurdle
(A) Jumping IO


Level 18: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery


Level 20: Stamina
(A) Endurance Modification IO
(21) Endurance Modification IO


Level 22: Suppress Pain
(A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(23) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
(23) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(25) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(25) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(27) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery


Level 24: Provoke
(A) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
(34) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge
(34) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge
(36) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range


Level 26: Summon Demon Prince
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(36) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(36) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(37) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(37) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(37) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 28: Soothe
(A) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(34) Panacea - Heal


Level 30: World of Pain
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(39) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
(39) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge


Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 35: Maneuvers
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(40) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure


Level 38: Tactics
(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(39) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(40) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(40) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up


Level 41: Dark Embrace
(A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
(42) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
(42) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
(42) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist


Level 44: Soul Tentacles
(A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
(46) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold


Level 47: Hell on Earth
(A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(50) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
(50) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets


Level 49: Anguishing Cry
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(50) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Recharge


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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Accuracy IO


Level 1: Sprint
(A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth


Level 2: Rest
(A) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 1: Supremacy
Level 6: Ninja Run



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Hmm, I CANT make up the difference with travel powers. they seem to ahve nerfed BotZ! Bastards! Grr!

Inspiration!

I realized the other night that if I wasn't too particular about enduring horrible, horrible agrivation, I could always drop super speed and simply rely on Ninja Run, and free u some space in the build. What I arrived at was the following.

My one remaining tortured internal controversy is whether tactics, or Pain-bringer, will be more useful to me over-all. Thoughts?

Oh, and thanks to all. the suggstions have been fantastic! I really appreciate it. This is the only game I've played where you can really ahve a thread like this since UO.


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Valentyna: Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Summon Demonlings
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(7) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 1: Nullify Pain
(A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
(37) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(40) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(43) Panacea - Heal
(46) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance


Level 2: Corruption
(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(9) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge


Level 4: Lash
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
(15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(17) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)


Level 6: Enchant Demon
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 8: Crack Whip
(A) Ragnarok - Damage
(17) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(19) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
(19) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
(21) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown


Level 10: Soothe
(A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
(39) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
(39) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(40) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Panacea - Heal


Level 12: Summon Demons
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(21) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(23) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(23) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(25) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(25) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 14: Provoke
(A) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
(31) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge
(33) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge
(37) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range


Level 16: Hurdle
(A) Jumping IO


Level 18: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery


Level 20: Stamina
(A) Endurance Modification IO
(27) Endurance Modification IO


Level 22: Suppress Pain
(A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(27) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
(29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(31) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(31) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery


Level 24: Hasten
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(36) Recharge Reduction IO
(37) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 26: Summon Demon Prince
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(33) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(34) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(34) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(34) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(36) Blood Mandate - Damage


Level 28: World of Pain
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(33) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
(36) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge


Level 30: Assault
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment
(A) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 35: Anguishing Cry
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(46) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Recharge


Level 38: Painbringer
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(39) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 41: Dark Embrace
(A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
(42) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
(42) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
(42) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist


Level 44: Soul Tentacles
(A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
(46) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold


Level 47: Hell on Earth
(A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
(48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(50) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
(50) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets


Level 49: Maneuvers
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(50) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure


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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Accuracy IO


Level 1: Sprint
(A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth


Level 2: Rest
(A) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 1: Supremacy
Level 6: Ninja Run



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Val straight and simple, I would use my build that I posted and was tweaked then trying to redo. I think my build layout is much better with the tweaks then yours is. The defenses in that build are much higher.

You have provoke but do not have the defenses to back it up.

You have many PvP sets which only offer you these additional bonuses in PvP. Are you looking to PvP with the build ? Then I can see where the Resistance numbers are much better, but again even for PvP you can get a better build.

Since money is not an issue, then I would work with my build posted and kick up the Inventions to better ones. Again mind you color does not mean they are always better. As it depends on what your trying to do.

I would swap out provoke for Painbringer at least.

I don't think you need all the attacks from the demon set. Honestly I think 1 of them is fine as you will be busy controlling the pets, since they run all over the place regardless of which type of Mastermind you have.

I will say your Accuracy bonus is nice, but I do not know how that transfers over to the pets. I just don't have that knowledge regarding invention bonuses and pets. If they do its great. Then I would just pay whatever is needed to max out your defenses but still trying to keep that accuracy bonus for the pets. Then you will be golden.

Plainguy, I do not see a build posted by you. I've looked twice. Am I going off my rocker, or is something wrong? O.o

Incidently, there will be a PVP version of this character, but that is not this build. No sane PvPer builds for defence, for one thing, and no sane PvP mastermind excludes Teleport Foe, for another.

You want to slot stamina with the performance shifter proc and endmod. I finally found a decent post with numbers, and the proc alone is worth more than both your endmods in stamina.

That's not quite right.

That post is talking about Physical Perfection, a power with a much lower base than Stamina. Mids shows the difference between one level 50 EndMod IO and two as being ~0.17 EPS. So at ~0.2 EPS, the proc has a bit of an advantage, but not too exciting a one. It certainly doesn't provide more than both slots in Stamina.

-Morgan.

Hmm. Right you are. I will certainly do that. Ideally I want very much to find a third slot for Stamina and have both. I just can;t fathom where I could take it from.

Wait, yes I can. It means lowering my beautiful, beautriful recharge bonus, I can. By rearranging Soothe, I came up with the following (It also incorporates Enforced Moral instead of Assault - still not sure about that choice, but I'll decide by thirty whether I agree with Plainguy about it or not).

As always, thanks all!


P.S. Ninja Run is the best thing ever! I dont miss a travel power,even in Grandville!



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Valentyna: Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings

• (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
• (3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
• (3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
• (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
• (7) Blood Mandate - Damage

• (A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
• (37) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
• (40) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (43) Panacea - Heal
• (46) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

• (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
• (7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
• (9) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
• (9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
• (13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
• (13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
• (15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
• (15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (17) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Ragnarok - Damage
• (17) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (19) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
• (19) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
• (21) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown

• (A) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
• (39) Miracle - Heal

• (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
• (21) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
• (23) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
• (23) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (25) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
• (25) Blood Mandate - Damage

• (A) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
• (31) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge
• (33) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge
• (37) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range

• (A) Jumping IO

• (A) Miracle - +Recovery

• (A) Endurance Modification IO
• (27) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (40) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
• (27) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
• (29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
• (29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
• (31) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (36) Recharge Reduction IO
• (37) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
• (33) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
• (34) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
• (34) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (34) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
• (36) Blood Mandate - Damage

• (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
• (33) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
• (36) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
• (39) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (40) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Recharge
• (46) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Recharge

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (39) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
• (42) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
• (42) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
• (42) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• (43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance
• (43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist

• (A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize
• (45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
• (45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
• (45) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
• (46) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold

• (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
• (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
• (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
• (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (50) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
• (50) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (50) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure

• (A) Accuracy IO

• (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO

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Mids actually shows Stamina's base as exactly twice that of PP. If you're saying that's wrong... you'd better come out and say it.

A third L50 endmod IO doesn't provide much anyway, thanks to ED. The first two both add around 0.17 EPS. A third only gives a paltry 0.06.

So, the proc is way better than a third endmod in stamina. Numerically it's better than the first or the second ones too. But it's not amazingly better.

-Morgan.

It is also, Ive always thought, worth remembering that that proc has the disadvantage of randomness, as opposed to a simple recovery boost. .2 is simply an average. Sometimes, it might happenf ar more often, and sometimes far less. It all works out in the wash, so to speak (or so the statisticians tell us), its entirely possible that at a time when you actually NEED it it won't be there. a flat %recovery bonus is reliable.

I didn't eye your new build yet but wanted to link my thread. I think between the 2 threads players should be able to create a decent build for a reasonable amount of money.


http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219789

Edit
Looked over your build, again I love your Accuracy bonus. I know you have the funds. I just don't have that type of bank roll. I'm a cheapskate.

Your ranged defense is good. I think the Tankermind experts need to step in and just address your defenses. I will also add your Resistances are decent also. Again I have issue with your defense.

Further does that accuracy bonus convert over to your pets ? I do not think it does.

I can see you using provoke and taking a nice hit which might be very difficult to heal out of.

I have Hover which really helps out some with the defenses. Also I have Mace Mastery Scorpion shield which is DEFENSE and not resistance

From I was told in the past when asking about specing my storm rad defender. I was told always spec for Defense.

I pretty much stuck to that rule for many of the toons. I have been also respecing a bunch of old toons since I came back and regardless of what type of toon it is, the same comments come up of specing defense or at a minimum ranged defense followed by another main or types when possible.

EG I have a Dark Electric that I was able to get high in Ranged but could not build up melee or AOE up sufficiently. But I was able to kick up the individual fire, cold, energy defenses up to a decent rate.

I'm keeping an eye your thread because its a good thread to see what a high roller can do with a spec. And it gives me something to work up too if I so choose.

By taking a resistance shield I can add moreto my range defence from the sets, ironically, which si what we're building for here. AoE is a secondary consideration, definately. I wish it were higher. Melee is irrelevent - imobs should ensure it never becomes an issue (Hover can achieve ~the same effect).

Bellow is what I have now. It has higher defence as the cost of lower recharge. Istill can't clsoe the last 1.4% to make it truly soft-caped, though



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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings

• (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
• (3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
• (3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
• (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
• (7) Blood Mandate - Damage

• (A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
• (36) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
• (37) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (37) Panacea - Heal
• (37) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

• (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
• (7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
• (9) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
• (9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
• (13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
• (13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
• (15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
• (15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (17) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Ragnarok - Damage
• (31) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (33) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
• (34) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
• (34) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown

• (A) HamiO:Golgi Exposure

• (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
• (17) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
• (19) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
• (19) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (21) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
• (21) Blood Mandate - Damage

• (A) Accuracy IO

• (A) Jumping IO

• (A) Miracle - +Recovery

• (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (34) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
• (23) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
• (23) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
• (27) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (27) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
• (29) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (25) Recharge Reduction IO
• (25) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
• (29) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
• (31) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
• (31) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (33) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
• (33) Blood Mandate - Damage

• (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
• (36) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
• (40) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
• (43) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (36) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Recharge
• (46) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Recharge

• (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
• (39) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
• (39) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
• (39) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• (40) Red Fortune - Defense
• (40) Red Fortune - Endurance

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
• (42) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
• (42) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
• (42) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• (43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance
• (43) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist

• (A) Trap of the Hunter - Accuracy/Recharge
• (45) Trap of the Hunter - Endurance/Immobilize
• (45) Trap of the Hunter - Accuracy/Endurance
• (45) Trap of the Hunter - Immobilize/Accuracy
• (46) Trap of the Hunter - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
• (46) Trap of the Hunter - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

• (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
• (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
• (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
• (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (50) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
• (50) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Accuracy IO

• (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO

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