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I wish it would get another balance pass. The last one was a good start, but didn't make it as competitive as the other sets.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Meh. Fiery Aura sucks so bad that it won't notice another nerf.
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You're treading on my dreams.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Meh. Fiery Aura sucks so bad that it won't notice another nerf.
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I just rolled a fire/fire scrapper.
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Fire Scrappers are ok since tankers exist (tanker absorb the majority of aggro). Brutes and Tankers are more underwhelming in terms of Fire Aura, IMO.
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I just rolled a fire/fire scrapper. |
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My first brute was em/fa, Dechs. If you don't mind slotting RotP with 95% enhancements and backing it with hasten, then you'll be just fine.
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You're treading on my dreams.
I just rolled a fire/fire scrapper. |
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Well, I have to admit I imagined it to be a "survival is optional" kind of scrapper.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
My first brute was em/fa, Dechs. If you don't mind slotting RotP with 95% enhancements and backing it with hasten, then you'll be just fine.
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Then you'll enjoy your FM/FA.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Well, I have to admit I imagined it to be a "survival is optional" kind of scrapper.
EDIT: Also, it's apparent to me that no one here has seen Equilibrium. |
As for Equilibrium, I own it.
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Hey, Castle! Take another look at odd things in Fiery Aura while you're at it! Like why does Fiery Embrace only last 20 seconds for Fire damage? Why doesn't it buff all damage for the 20 seconds and not give non-fire attacks as good of a bonus (making it build-up without the +to hit and double the recharge)?
Why does Consume have to be on a much longer recharge than other end recovery tools?
Why is Burn still where it sits compared to the more solid and reliable performance of Shield Charge and Lightning Rod?
I love Fiery Aura and think it's a great set, but those little things still don't make sense to me when you compare it to other sets. 
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Because it's specifically fiery embrace. If I recall correctly, it used to only boost fire damage.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Hey, Castle! Take another look at odd things in Fiery Aura while you're at it! Like why does Fiery Embrace only last 20 seconds for Fire damage? Why doesn't it buff all damage for the 20 seconds and not give non-fire attacks as good of a bonus (making it build-up without the +to hit and double the recharge)?
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Dechs, your attitude is interesting.
Fire/Fire/Weapon.
With a battle cry, "STOP, or I'll DIE at you!"
Run in, drop caltrops, burn, fireball, die, RotP, repeat.
Hmmmm.
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Fiery can mean a lot of things. Pigeonholing it into only being fire damage is a bit limited just from the language (your anger fires up, increasing your damage for twenty seconds, your fiery nature allows you to buff your damage for twenty seconds, etc.). But from a pure design and balance standpoint, any set that is not Fiery Melee is best served in getting Build Up rather than Fiery Embrace because of that limitation. Even with Fiery Melee, there is a decent argument to saying take Build up instead because of its lower recharge and +to hit.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Because it's specifically fiery embrace. If I recall correctly, it used to only boost fire damage.
Your other points are entirely valid, of course. |
That's even without comparing it to another offensive set, Shields. AAO buffs everything with mobs in range. It just doesn't make sense for Fiery Embrace to have this design methodology behind it that makes it work as it does. Making it twenty seconds to all makes a lot more sense, and a lot less confusing. You're the first poster I've found that isn't confused by the "20 for fire, 10 for everything else" discrepancy. It just reeks of how hodgepodge some of the powers were at the beginning of the game, and this is a holdover from that time. Newer sets like Willpower and Shields don't have powers like this for a reason... they were designed well with the game in mind from the ground up.
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That makes no sense. CoD shows FE on a scrapper buffing Fire damage by 125% for 20 seconds and everything else by 100% for 10.| But from a pure design and balance standpoint, any set that is not Fiery Melee is best served in getting Build Up rather than Fiery Embrace because of that limitation |
You take both damage buffs on any primary. Fire them both off for 225% damage buff to fire damage for 20 seconds total and everything else for 200% for 10 seconds, or fire one off after the first runs out for the long duration buff.
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What I really want is a beserker, which I suggested as a powerset a while back. Auto go boom power upon death, generic self rez, and a godmode like no other... invulnerable for a time but a self kill crash.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Dechs, your attitude is interesting.
Fire/Fire/Weapon. With a battle cry, "STOP, or I'll DIE at you!" Run in, drop caltrops, burn, fireball, die, RotP, repeat. Hmmmm. |
Fire/fire will have to do.
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a.) because it's a fire set, and b.) because you can pair it with Build Up.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Hey, Castle! Take another look at odd things in Fiery Aura while you're at it! Like why does Fiery Embrace only last 20 seconds for Fire damage? Why doesn't it buff all damage for the 20 seconds and not give non-fire attacks as good of a bonus (making it build-up without the +to hit and double the recharge)?
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I love Fiery Aura and think it's a great set, but those little things still don't make sense to me when you compare it to other sets.
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Well, I see the benefit to grabbing both, but I have a Fire/Fire Tanker. I have little luck in convincing other Tanks to take both, especially if they are Fire/any primary but Fire. And I can understand that, to some extent. Builds are tight, and if you're going to fit in one, Build Up is usually the better choice for the above stated reasons.
It may be that we are approaching it from a Tank methodology and a Scrapper. Or playstyle. I like using them alternately (as I usually do for Aim and Build up with my Blasters) to stretch out the time of buffed damage, myself.
My main point was that Fiery Embrace is not as beneficial to other sets than Fiery Melee, and that doesn't really make sense for the game. I have seen people be confused by the difference, and annoyed. It also discourages a non Fire/Fire build, to some extent. The offense you're trading off for Fiery Aura doesn't translate as well to other offensive sets.
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It depends on your point of view. It works fine with every melee set, but just works better with Fiery Melee. It also buffs all the damage in Fiery Aura -- Blazing Aura, Consume, and Burn. So while it might not appeal to everyone, if you're going for maximum damage (such as Brutes or Scrappers) anything that boosts damage is your friend.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
My main point was that Fiery Embrace is not as beneficial to other sets than Fiery Melee, and that doesn't really make sense for the game. I have seen people be confused by the difference, and annoyed. It also discourages a non Fire/Fire build, to some extent. The offense you're trading off for Fiery Aura doesn't translate as well to other offensive sets.
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Fiery Aura can pair with Fiery Melee, though... and get 20 seconds on its damage... which no other set can do with the power. Which is my point of contention.|
Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous
a.) because it's a fire set, and b.) because you can pair it with Build Up.
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| Because it does damage. It's on par with Dark Consumption, another foe-based end-recovery power that does damage. |
For other sets, Energy Absorption recharges in 60 seconds AND increases defense. It does recover less endurance and costs endurance, but again, higher recharge on an end recovery tool is more helpful. Power Sink recovers more endurance than Consume and recharges in 60 seconds as well.
Starting to see the discrepancy? I do. Fine if you like it that way, but it seems off to me.
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DC does twice as much damage as Consume and can crit as well as gives back 25 end versus consume's 20.| Because it does damage. It's on par with Dark Consumption, another foe-based end-recovery power that does damage. |
Also casts in half the time. They have the same recharge.
Somebody's gettin the shaft.
Be well, people of CoH.
To be excruciatingly fair, Consume also has a radius of 20 feet to Dark Consumption's 8. This does make a bit of a difference.
I sure wouldn't complain about FA getting a buff, but it's working pretty well for me at the moment.
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Dammit Bill.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Dechs, your attitude is interesting.
Fire/Fire/Weapon. With a battle cry, "STOP, or I'll DIE at you!" Run in, drop caltrops, burn, fireball, die, RotP, repeat. Hmmmm. |
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I understand your point. I just don't see why it's a big deal. Fiery Aura has a power that better synergizes with Fiery Melee. So what?|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Fiery Aura can pair with Fiery Melee, though... and get 20 seconds on its damage... which no other set can do with the power. Which is my point of contention.
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Dark Consumption is in an offensive set, does more damage (about twice that of Consume), AND recovers more endurance per target. I'd be fine dropping the damage (less than that of Scorch) and getting more recharge, myself. For other sets, Energy Absorption recharges in 60 seconds AND increases defense. It does recover less endurance and costs endurance, but again, higher recharge on an end recovery tool is more helpful. Power Sink recovers more endurance than Consume and recharges in 60 seconds as well. Starting to see the discrepancy? I do. Fine if you like it that way, but it seems off to me. |
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| We have been told that Fiery Aura's tradeoff for less protection is more offense, yet other sets have far better tools for offense now. Burn has a lot stacked against it, and still shows the evidence that it was nerfed to where it is, rather than designed there. An attack that scares off mobs is little help to the attack, let alone the person using it (especially since it's a melee set, usually). |
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| I don't like these, either, but the design philosophy seems set on the lack KB protection now. Not sure why. The other problems at least have some leverage, to my mind. But I'd gladly see these fixed, too. It would hardly make Fiery Aura overpowered, heh. |
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To be excruciatingly fair, Consume also has a radius of 20 feet to Dark Consumption's 8. This does make a bit of a difference.
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I heard through the grapevine that Brutes are getting some sorta nerf is that part of it? o.@
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Meh. Fiery Aura sucks so bad that it won't notice another nerf.
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