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I was the same way I didn't like it at first but I still wanted one at 50. When I got that one at 50 I started to love it. Now the only Scrapper Primary that can go with Shields that I don't have at 50 is Broad Sword and I will be making him soon. |
Originally Posted by Forevermore
When shields first came out, I was one of the only people that wasn't impressed. It seemed to me to be a weaker version of /sr. I finally got around to making one the other day. I really am impressed. This is fun as hell, and I haven't even gotten around the Shield Charge yet.
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Oh, you're not the only one. I got it totally wrong too, and argued my point against people with better foresight. It looked... OKAY to me. Nothing special. I started playing one immediately, but wasn't expecting too much. I couldn't understand why people were so excited. But I ended up having my favorite trip ever from 1-50 on my Broad Sword/Shield Defense. And on top of that, whoah boy are these things awesome when IO'd to the teeth, now aren't they? I don't have one IO'd to the teeth, but I've seen the builds. I know what they can do. Having a whole lot of fun leveling my Fire/Shield too (currently 47, I think).
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Originally Posted by Forevermore
When shields first came out, I was one of the only people that wasn't impressed. It seemed to me to be a weaker version of /sr. I finally got around to making one the other day. I really am impressed. This is fun as hell, and I haven't even gotten around the Shield Charge yet.
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Not me. If I say something, I mean it. Of course, I delayed speaking about Shield until I could check numbers and play with builds a bit.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
We all say things in beta stages that we don't really mean.
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Soft cap is very good, Shield Charge is fun.
But AAO is just over the top god like.
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I had two major thoughts on Shield back when it was first released:
*) Unremarkable to squishy with SOs
*) IOs will make it silly
The only thing I wasn't sure about was whether people would be able to create softcapped Shield Scrappers and Brutes that didn't make any substantial sacrifices. It goes to show me how good some of the build wizards out there are.
How do you live with the clicky status protection though? Drives me up the wall with nerd rage. Good God I despise that mechanic.
I can't play the set, or ninjitsu for stalkers, for very long before I get so frustrated I have to swap to someone else. Every time I die I lose my status protection. And for a huge chunk of my career it's not permanent. The fact that eventually it does become permanent and can even be double stacked is not a benefit. Especially when I forget to click it. The fact that's its my own fault in that case just makes it worse =)
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With shields, SR and ninjitsu toons I just leave the mez protection on auto. Never bothered me. If I have Hasten on the toon (which is the usual autopower for my other characters), I bind Hasten to a key like 'y' for easy access.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
How do you live with the clicky status protection though? Drives me up the wall with nerd rage. Good God I despise that mechanic.
I can't play the set, or ninjitsu for stalkers, for very long before I get so frustrated I have to swap to someone else. Every time I die I lose my status protection. And for a huge chunk of my career it's not permanent. The fact that eventually it does become permanent and can even be double stacked is not a benefit. Especially when I forget to click it. The fact that's its my own fault in that case just makes it worse =) |
It's not like you have to wait a lot to make it perma, other sets like regen get the mez protection only at level 16. My shields had it perma at 22, and almost perma with DOs before. I'd check the numbers of the click mez with DOs but I'm on Mac OS X now. But after putting 2 DO's in it, it was enough to not bother me since the trip from 12 to 22 (SOs) is so fast.
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My fire/SD brute is still something like 18 seconds off perma at level 36 when I remember to use haste. I have the status on auto, but it needs the help from haste a lot. Next time I level I'll add a slot to it. If I can stomach playing her for long enough to level. At least she'll be out of debt now from building up patrol xp. Still doesn't help having no status protection after a wipe when everyone else can just toggle up and go.
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Originally Posted by Kioshi
With shields, SR and ninjitsu toons I just leave the mez protection on auto. Never bothered me. If I have Hasten on the toon (which is the usual autopower for my other characters), I bind Hasten to a key like 'y' for easy access.
It's not like you have to wait a lot to make it perma, other sets like regen get the mez protection only at level 16. My shields had it perma at 22, and almost perma with DOs before. I'd check the numbers of the click mez with DOs but I'm on Mac OS X now. But after putting 2 DO's in it, it was enough to not bother me since the trip from 12 to 22 (SOs) is so fast. |
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I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
My fire/SD brute is still something like 18 seconds off perma at level 36 when I remember to use haste. I have the status on auto, but it needs the help from haste a lot. Next time I level I'll add a slot to it. If I can stomach playing her for long enough to level. At least she'll be out of debt now from building up patrol xp. Still doesn't help having no status protection after a wipe when everyone else can just toggle up and go.
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With clicky status protection I put 2 extra slots in it as soon as I can (usually level 11). With SOs it ends up being perma with a decent amount of overlap.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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If you're saying what I think you're saying than yes, most people look at shields and go wow thats awesome, but they don't see the billions of influence it takes to be that awesome. With SOs shields sucks major eggs.
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Originally Posted by Sarrate
I had two major thoughts on Shield back when it was first released:
*) Unremarkable to squishy with SOs *) IOs will make it silly The only thing I wasn't sure about was whether people would be able to create softcapped Shield Scrappers and Brutes that didn't make any substantial sacrifices. It goes to show me how good some of the build wizards out there are. |
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Well, in Mids even with normal Ios it looks like crap imo? It must take a lot of expensive sets to make it decent I guess?
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Originally Posted by Jharber
Well, in Mids even with normal Ios it looks like crap imo? It must take a lot of expensive sets to make it decent I guess?
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Originally Posted by Jharber
Well, in Mids even with normal Ios it looks like crap imo? It must take a lot of expensive sets to make it decent I guess?
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Because on a SO build, I have about 18% resists to all but psi and 30% def to melee/range/AoE
If that is Crap then there aren't too many sets that please you.
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Originally Posted by Da_Captain
Can I see your current mids build?
Because on a SO build, I have about 18% resists to all but psi and 30% def to melee/range/AoE If that is Crap then there aren't too many sets that please you. |
You know you were totally correct, I honestly was paying no attention to melee/range/aoe so yes that does seem "decent", but not godly or anything? I do think now it might be cooler than I thought with dark melee though with those stats.
I just threw this together, with all ios, nothing special. in it.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.621
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Level 23 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fighting
Hero Profile:
Level 1: [Empty]
Level 1: Deflection -- DefBuff-I:25(A), DefBuff-I:25(3), DefBuff-I:25(3), ResDam-I:25(5), ResDam-I:25(5), ResDam-I:25(7)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- DefBuff-I:25(A), DefBuff-I:25(7), DefBuff-I:25(9)
Level 4: True Grit -- ResDam-I:25(A), ResDam-I:25(9), ResDam-I:25(11)
Level 6: [Empty]
Level 8: [Empty]
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I:25(A), RechRdx-I:25(11)
Level 12: [Empty]
Level 14: Tough -- ResDam-I:25(A), ResDam-I:25(15), ResDam-I:25(15), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:25(17)
Level 16: Against All Odds -- Empty(A)
Level 18: [Empty]
Level 20: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I:25(A), DefBuff-I:25(21), DefBuff-I:25(21)
Level 22: Weave -- DefBuff-I:25(A), DefBuff-I:25(23)
Level 24: [Empty]
Level 26: [Empty]
Level 28: [Empty]
Level 30: [Empty]
Level 32: [Empty]
Level 35: [Empty]
Level 38: [Empty]
Level 41: [Empty]
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 3% Defense(Smashing)
- 3% Defense(Lethal)
- 3% Defense(Fire)
- 3% Defense(Cold)
- 3% Defense(Energy)
- 3% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 3% Defense(Melee)
- 3% Defense(Ranged)
- 3% Defense(AoE)
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Yeah, I would agree with you, just by itself, and considering you get a nice AoE attack, it gives decent survivability for a Scrap, but like most Scrap sets it can be built to be Godly.
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-Knight_Chill
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You've also got to account for Against All Odds and Shield Charge. Having good enough Defense and defeating enemies faster is just a win/win combination. The whole of this set is just a really great combination.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
You've also got to account for Against All Odds and Shield Charge. Having good enough Defense and defeating enemies faster is just a win/win combination. The whole of this set is just a really great combination.
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When shields first came out, I was one of the only people that wasn't impressed. It seemed to me to be a weaker version of /sr. I finally got around to making one the other day. I really am impressed. This is fun as hell, and I haven't even gotten around the Shield Charge yet.
So I hereby apologize.