No inf limit scrapper

Basically my fm/sd gets hit hard by the BoTZ nerf so, i want the best possible scrapper from IO investment, any powers an cash limit.

I was thinking

something WP, DA, FA, ELA or regen maybe but i'm not fussed.

I want something that is equally insane too how my FM/SD was.

Absolutely no inf limit.

FM/SD

You can still softcap with BoTZ nerf, and even if you're not willing to change your build, you probably won't find any WP, regen, DA, FA or ELA combo that is as efficient and versatile as a FM/SD in general play.

If you still want to try something different, I'd say WP and regen are out as they offer no direct boost to your offense - QR is nice and all but isn't as relevant as direct damage boosting effects such as auras or +rech, as we're discussing a highend character that can eventually grab CP/PP and will be IOed out.

Leaving DA, FA and ELA.

With unlimited budget, I'd look at DA. FA and ELA have endurance tools, which is great for most toons but, again, not as important for a "inf no limit" build. DA, on the other hand, not only get greater survivability tools but also stacks well with IOs.

Take DR, for example. It's a full heal with enough mobs, so increasing your max HP, on top of increasing your regen, also "increases" your healing power. Cloak of Darkness is a great 6% defense to stack with set bonuses, and that 6% means a lot when it's the difference between 45% and 39%.

A FM/DA, softcapped for S/L might not be too bad compared to a FM/SD. It still might run in trouble in situations involving heavy defense debuffs and it won't kill as fast.

If FM bores you after doing it once already and if you're willing to forgo ST damage, Spines/DA can be another fun alt to play as well.

Really, I believe you'd be better off just sticking with FM/SD, unless you're genuinely bored with the toon and want to move on.

How hard did your Fire/Shield get hit? Post up your build and maybe I can help. My Dark/Shield got hit in a few places but I have him back up to about 90% where he was before the nerf.

Also there aren't going to be many combinations that will be able to pump out the amount of damage and have the same survivability that a fire/shield will does. The one that comes to mind is Claws/SR, Katana/SR, and Katana/Regen. Katana/Regen has the highest peak survivability out of all of those but if you're not on top of it you will face plant.

My Elec/Shield got a decent hit too but it only forced me into improving his build. I wouldn't swap toons altogether and am pretty sure you can get a great Fire/SD even with the nerf.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

I have to wonder how everyone and their cousin seems to be shelving their Shield toons simply because they lost a bit of defense to AoE and Ranged. It's not like the BotZ fix (I refuse to call it a nerf because those set bonuses, in all honesty, were way too powerful) has suddenly made Shield completely unplayable. Just reslot yourself a bit to sacrifice some recharge for some more defense and quit crying "doom".

I'm not sure why anyone would shelve theirs but I'm certainly not happy.

And Castle still hasn't explained why he "fixed" these inventions verses the placate proc which is really broken and has been really broken for a longer time. Priorities my friend, get them right!

Because fixing the BoTZ and the unique was easy, its not even coding time, just the spreadsheets. The powers group can do that on their own.

Maybe the placate proc is hard to fix, and requires coding time. Maybe they haven't even got a way of fixing it.

I love my FM/SD, but just like the Domi nerf i'm not gunna enjoy having too nerf myself too get it back too soft cap. I'm not crying about it Umbral, as i agree BoTZ was too powerful. But equally i'd like a new scrapper if that's ok with you?

Along with the Numina nerf and other heal uniques i've been hit quite hard an it's jus gunna be a bummer. But again i'm not crying, as much as i enjoy the game i'm not fussed if the servers got shut down tomorrow.


Here's my build atm.

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I'm bemused by the idea that building to the soft cap could be described as "nerfing" yourself. I know you mean it'll cost you other set bonuses that you had on top of having the soft cap that you had on top of having Shields' overpowered offense, and that it will come out of your unlimited budget.

I just think that's still a pretty good place to be, nerf or not. :P

katana/wp ftw.

BotZ being bumped down in scale should not hurt /Shield nearly as much as some would think. I've already made up shop in my new post post I17 build. It's amazing what you can do when you are forced to think outside the box. The nerf isn't' a nerf it's a blessing in disguise. Try a rework and you'll be pleasantly surprised with your outcome.

Looks like a rebuild is the only decent option.

If you see where i'm coming from, having spent like 15b on it, it kinda sucks having too lower it's performance. It'll still be good, but good is never as awesome as it was.

As i say not only will i loose defence but i'll loose regen and recov from how i've slotted the uniques, it's just abit anoying but i'll get over it.

With FM having no secondry affect i'm limited too sets, compared too DM/ ELEC/ etc

I think i'm either gunna have too rejig mine or roll a SS/SD brute or something. Which is pure hassle for not great advantages. Rage crashes for one.

Here is a Fire/Shield build that I came up with a while ago when I first heard about the BoTZ nerf for my possible venture to Freedom.

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I'd really love to see that build, seriously.

I see

Katana/WP is easily the most solid scrapper I've played on SO enhancements, and with strong IO slotting it can survive many situations (like being hit by Ghost Widow's Soul Storm, to name just one example) which would kill FM/SD. FM/SD has its corresponding advantages, like superior defense debuff resistance, but the really ubiquitous defense debuffs are lethal typed, so if you can get to 45% lethal defense on a single DA, you just use a second DA when you're facing defense debuffers and cascade failure never happens.

But FM/SD will be offensively superior in every way (ST/AoE/dmg type) compared to Kat/WP.

Although none of my toons are hit hard by the BotZ change, if I were sitting on a high-end FM/SD build, I'd just respec it with the change in mind; post-nerf FM/SD can still be built with an awesome combination of damage output and survivability. I mean, I'd probably still roll a new scrapper every so often ANYWAY (and Kat/WP doesn't disappoint), but I certainly wouldn't shelf my FM/SD because of the BotZ issue.