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My best suggestion is simply to run radio missions and normal teams, then start running TF's once you're in range. You know, actually play that tanker?|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Okay, I have short attention span theatre. After a trip to the sewers I am at level 8. I want to level a dark/dark tank fast. Very fast. Usually when I want a 50 on blueside I just solo a few AE runs I like. Is the only fast leveling for a tank to get on a AE team?
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Alternately you can team with friends running upper level missions; you won't contribute as much but you'll get XP and gain experience in the character. It isn't hard to level anything nowadays outside of the sheltered world of AE.
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Seriously? It's not like the XP a tank gets is less than the XP for another AT. So why would only a tank be able to get it in AE?|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Is the only fast leveling for a tank to get on a AE team?
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No, you can level quickly anywhere. As mentioned, radio missions are a fast way. Join a team of higher level capable of killing quickly, and stick with it. The RWZ is also good for repeatable missions. When you hit 30 (35?), run some Citadel TFs with a decent team. It's good xp and merit reward. This way, you can purchase some decent IOs without going broke. Other TFs are good sources as well. Level 45+? Jump in with some RWZ raids.
On the bright side, if you stay away from AE, you won't have to blow tickets on salvage purchases.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Sorry, I was not clear. With a Invul or Willpower Tank, I understand the build. This is a dark/dark. It is very hard (for me) due to end management. I think I will be okay after 35 when the later powers come in. But until then I really do not feel strong enough to tank for a team.
Are there any solo AE missions that are tank friendly? (through bubblers/buffs, etc?)
id give ya mine if i could...the two together are just awlful...yeah i know some like it.
but out of all the tank primaries..i have all of them at 50..i play that one the least.
rmts can powerlevel it in a day if you really wanted it fast. but itll cost ya
RMTs will also taint your soul and your account! Don't do it!
Arrange to be off-tank, or join a control-heavy team that does not need you to take the hits. AE is not as good as it has been in the past, so just Play!
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I do a lot of solo PLing using some favorite AE missions. Problem is the tanker does crap for damage at low levels. So my favorite mish is just going nowhere.
I hate being team dependent. The mishes I have found in AE are not spectacular, but I can 50 one in a lazy after works hours week if its a brute, blaster, or scrapper. All without ever having to deal with team drama.
Unfortunately, with my dark/dark I will probably start standard teaming, and as second string tank at that. Argh. Ah well, concept toons require a little more I guess.
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You realize that the last patch was specifically focused on the "buff bot" AE farms? They tossed an XP penalty for each NPC ally in the mission.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Sorry, I was not clear. With a Invul or Willpower Tank, I understand the build. This is a dark/dark. It is very hard (for me) due to end management. I think I will be okay after 35 when the later powers come in. But until then I really do not feel strong enough to tank for a team.
Are there any solo AE missions that are tank friendly? (through bubblers/buffs, etc?) |
I can give you a few suggestions about endurance however if that's your main worry, first you can tailor the toggles you run prior to Stamina based on what you're fighting... Murky is fairly useless against predominately S/L foes for example. For another you can slot your attacks for endred; this will save you by far the most endurance. Early levels I'd only slot accuracy and endred; don't worry about damage as much until DO levels at the earliest.
You'll be playing a fairly squishy tanker the whole way to 50; Dark Regen is what will make or break your survivability so make sure you've slotted it so you're capped tohit for the foes you're likely to be facing. Also snag Siphon Life, in addition to being a small heal it's a very decent damaging attack now.
Don't forgo Death Shroud as you'll find it's actually your number one source of damage. Run Herostats for a few missions and you'll find that DS dealt more damage than any of your other attacks. It just comes in small increments, but it's constant small increments against everything nearby. Again slot acc/dam/endred here... Multi Strike is a decent choice since it offers good endurance reduction and it's quite inexpensive... slotting level 25's will be good the whole way to 50.
In any case since you rolled a tanker you really ought to team with him... if you wanted to solo you'd have done better rolling a Dark/Dark scrapper. Scrappers are better soloers where tankers shine in team situations. While all AT's can solo it isn't playing to the tanker's strengths.
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As call me awesome stated AE has been nerfed. But I believe the best way to level as mentioned before radio mish, and/or TFs. As far as end is concern you will all ways have end issues at low levels. I still have end issues on my stone/stone tank that is lvl 44. Just enjoy playing it and learn how to play it. I hate to say this but if a person PLed there toons they don't know how to play it well when they do get higher level. Especially when they do it in AE.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
It's not like the XP a tank gets is less than the XP for another AT.
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Um, actually a good tank protects their team from debt by taking it themselves. It's the tanks life to protect their teammates from all bad things. We take the aggro for them, we deny all buffs and heals, we absorb all things nasty. We censor their art and literature so they don't get offended, and try to explain their math homework for them. We are the guardians of society, pillars against the onslaught of depravity and madness of the world. I mean if you're not really for that kind of responsibility... Okay enough of that
Really, everyone at low levels has end issues, not just you. Just play with teams, rest when you need to, and have fun. Slot some end redux! If I got a spines/dark through the low levels before AE was born, you can handle it with an end drain.
IMO, AE should be saved for those who actually know how to play the character they're PLing. Which is why I haven't AE'd a Controller. Because for the life of me I cant get out of Scrapperlock 
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Originally Posted by Neutrino_Siphon
IMO, AE should be saved for those who actually know how to play the character they're PLing. Which is why I haven't AE'd a Controller. Because for the life of me I cant get out of Scrapperlock
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Also, for a tank I wouldn't recommend dark/dark, I'd always stack dark armor with a set that can stack stuns with oppressive gloom. I had a dark/axe tank I deleted in the 30s, my dark/stone (with fault, a large AoE stun) is much better and a friend's dark/EM also works well.
The fastest way to level outside AE is to run the TFs where you get other people to cover the holes in your build. We ran an 8 man no stealth posi in just over 2 hours, I went from 12.1-19.6. If you run posi, synapse, sister, moonfire, citadel, hess with full teams, not only will you be close to level 30, but you'll also have 250+ merits in the bank and most of the atlas medallion for about 12 hours of teaming.
Tanks are pretty poor below SOs so don't expect miracles, but get to 12, slot DOs or lvl 15 IOs and go run the TFs on big teams.
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Originally Posted by LSK
As call me awesome stated AE has been nerfed. But I believe the best way to level as mentioned before radio mish, and/or TFs. As far as end is concern you will all ways have end issues at low levels. I still have end issues on my stone/stone tank that is lvl 44. Just enjoy playing it and learn how to play it. I hate to say this but if a person PLed there toons they don't know how to play it well when they do get higher level. Especially when they do it in AE.
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not true at all...after 6 years in this game if i p.l'd any toon here i would be able to play it quite easily. and lets face it. we dont get awhole lot of new people in this game anymore.so that point gets kinda mute now and is old style thinking
frankly speaking this game isnt that hard
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Short answer: No.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Okay, I have short attention span theatre. After a trip to the sewers I am at level 8. I want to level a dark/dark tank fast. Very fast. Usually when I want a 50 on blueside I just solo a few AE runs I like. Is the only fast leveling for a tank to get on a AE team?
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Long answer: No. This is what the difficulty settings are for. Play with them a bit. Crank them up from +0x1. Early on, you'll level almost every mission.
It'll be tough fights and you'll die some. But you'll make XP hand over fist. Later on, you'll level every 2-3 missions. If you survive one of these missions without dying even once or even coming close, your difficulty is too low and could be bumped another notch.
Try to keep the missions +1 to you, save in certain instances (like the the Frostfire and Atta missions, where you'll level several times in one map), bump it to +2 and bring purples. This way, by the end of the mission you're not fighting gray-cons for no XP.
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huff huff huff, okay at 12th lol. Right, AE is nerfed. To clarify, I have a 50 tank, I have many 40 tanks, I have many 50 redsiders (mostly brutes). And final clarificcation, the dark/dark is a concept toon, so I am happy with the powers. The idea about pairing dark armor with something else is okay, but I acrtually klike the End Rech attack in dark melee, and the buff is great for supercharging the AoE in dark armor ( a primary damage dealer of the build )
Yes, teaming is going well. (Except for the PUG this morning where a teammate felt they had to explain in great detail what a pull is, only to have the rest of the team ignore every word) Ah, the cities lol.
Loving the PBAoE heal, hating to need it every minute and a half. Hating CoT for debuffing my aim so much it doesnt work. Gonna try some TF this weekend. Have DO end reducers in everything right now. (5 in my AoE dam toggle, 3 in each of the 2 shields I run right now) Still running end short, probably will for at least another eight levels until stamina, and maybe until after SOs. Plan to keep cramming more end red on my toggles through the late teens.
Thanks for the advice. Too bad about AE, that buff mish I 50d my blaster on was sweet, got a few 40s off it too to explore build ideas, and all in a couple weeks semi-casual runs. Best part - no teammates! Ah well, those Halcyon days are gone, and it has been pointed out that a tank is nothing without a team.
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Just a FYI, but you'll save considerably more endurance by slotting attacks than by slotting toggles.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Plan to keep cramming more end red on my toggles through the late teens.
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yeah, I have 2 end red in Shadow Maul, and one each in the other two punches. My 2 vet attacks both suck end, so when I kick into full damage mode my blue drops pretty fast. On a team I try to just hit little attacks to taunt, run my AoE damage aura, and control the combat as much as a lowbie tank can rather than keep up with blasters/scrappers for killing potential.
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As CMA mentioned, once SOs come around, you'd be best off with end-reduc in attacks. One SO tops, for toggles. But, if you have the money for it, then frankenslot your toggles and attacks to max out what you can. There's a lot of suggestions for frankenslotting Dark Regen and Siphon Life. Use those to your advantage. A well slotted SL can deal some great damage while reducing your dependence on DR somewhat.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Have DO end reducers in everything right now. (5 in my AoE dam toggle, 3 in each of the 2 shields I run right now) Still running end short, probably will for at least another eight levels until stamina, and maybe until after SOs. Plan to keep cramming more end red on my toggles through the late teens.
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[edit] And get your +end accolades. That will help a lot.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
My 2 vet attacks both suck end, so when I kick into full damage mode my blue drops pretty fast.
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I'd IO him for +recovery. It's the 1st set bonus in the sets that have it so you can semi-frankenslot for high performance in the powers, using PAIRS of IO's. If you've got the influence, you can get epic +recovery. My dark/dark runs 10 toggles. He has Stamina with 3 endmod plus the Performance Shifter +END IO, then he has +48% ADDITIONAL recovery from other stuff. Basically, I wanted to see if it was possible to get enough recovery to run everything I felt like. Yes, but it wasn't easy. (No purples, FYI.)
At the other extreme of the cost spectrum, I have a defender without Stamina and +33% recovery from sets. No Perf Shifter, no uniques, just cheap sets. His build was a bit over 20 million influence.
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I disagree about that when a lvl 50 ws/PB or vet is asking where they got to go to do an ITF and how to get in to cim. Plus they either have less then 3 month vet badge to maybe 6 month vet badge. Alot of newbs have been coming on the game lately, and I have seen it on justice and freedom. I do not know what server you play on but there is still new players everyday.
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Originally Posted by Severe
not true at all...after 6 years in this game if i p.l'd any toon here i would be able to play it quite easily. and lets face it. we dont get awhole lot of new people in this game anymore.so that point gets kinda mute now and is old style thinking
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okay at 24. End problems are not an issue anymore (thanks to half my enhancers being end red lol.
Knockback! Been a long time since i tried a dark armor brute I guess. How do I solve the KB problem?
Fast Leveling as a Tank.
Simple. Be the leader. Be an awesome, fast leader. People will respect you for it...people will want to team with you.
If I want to just level fast...I run nothing but radio missions.
I pick the best zones for my level...and run radio missions there until I'm forced to move to a different zone.
First, I get the first mission ready and go to the entrance and wait. Then I invite...my level or lower.
Open up the find list and constantly refresh it as you are looking for more members. I send out tells to all who do not have a team.
I simply ask them "Want to join missions team?
Most replies are "Yes", "Sure" or "no". Simple and easy.
I do that until I have a full team or at least 6.
Make sure you are a good tank. (This is crucial to fast leveling as a Tank)
Be fast...get taunt...always be the first one in...run to the next group when there are like 2 guys left.
When missions end...if someone leaves...get right on inviting someone else. Always keep the team replenished.
Also...as soon as you exit the mission, select another mission...this keeps your teammates interested and less likely to leave.
If you are able to do this successfully...you will find yourself regularly teaming with the same people because they respect you and they know you always put together good teams.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
okay at 24. End problems are not an issue anymore (thanks to half my enhancers being end red lol.
Knockback! Been a long time since i tried a dark armor brute I guess. How do I solve the KB problem? |
Either acrobatics (free but costs powers) or KB protection IOs. Karma and Steadfast should be cheap. BotZ will cost more.
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So much for leveling fast, I have done every TF rtunately I know a TF experienced group that I hang with. Met them Bruting the ITF and they were one of the reasons I investigated blue side again. 2 hours on the POSI last night, slightly over one level. argh.
But yes, it may be time for me to start team leading again. Have avoided that for a year and a half, but as the agro controller it helps to have the settings options for the team. Was on a +4 team yesterday, I tanked it, barely, but the team was grinding slow. Set at +2 we probably would have run so fast through every mob, inspirations dropping like mad, end mish, repeat. So yeah, radio missions here I come.
Okay, I have short attention span theatre. After a trip to the sewers I am at level 8. I want to level a dark/dark tank fast. Very fast. Usually when I want a 50 on blueside I just solo a few AE runs I like. Is the only fast leveling for a tank to get on a AE team?