Hami last night

Eh, you don't need a ton of experienced people to run a successful raid....you only really need 5-6 folks who have solid experience with raiding strategy to lead the raid and the individual teams. So long as the raid leader gives good instructions and the team leaders ensure that their teams are doing what they're supposed to, all the other raiders just need to be able to follow instructions.

Sure it helps if the other raiders have some experience in the raiding process...but following instructions is far more important for someone who is a non-raid leader than having raiding experience. A large supply of experienced raiders on a server doesn't add much more to a particular raid's success...it just allows the server to have more frequent raids because you have a larger pool of people who can be raid leaders.

I'd say the biggest factor that has helped Justice become THE Hami raid server is that our raids are done in a PUG-style format. We don't put any sort of emphasis on who needs to bring what. We've learned to work with what we get, so someone who wants to give raiding a try can just bring whatever character you want to play...there will be a team for you no matter what you bring. Because our raids are done in a PUG format, there are good, thorough instructions given at each and every raid...so our raids tend to be newbie friendly as well. Because we have such an open format that's pretty newbie and AT friendly, our raids are a pretty big draw. This helps add experienced raiders to our server's population, which in turn allows us to have frequent (and even impromptu) Hami raids.

That's pretty much how we go 'bout it. We've even tweaked the original strat to accomodate for it.

Actually, lets be honest, most of the time on Justice you have a regular core group of raiders that know exactly what they are doing. To the point where the leader could be as useless as tits on a bull and the raid would still be a success. In fact, in my humble opinion, some of them of recent have been. If the new rendition of the Hamidon encounter can be completed with as few as 20 competent players; then it shouldn't really matter if there are leeches in the Hive. I have always been a firm believer that the player > build and that quality > quantity.

Oh yeah, I've definitely been to some raids in the past where that was the exact situation. Leader sucked and all the experienced raiders just shrugged and continued to do their jobs right. Raid took a bit longer but **** got done.

Wait! You're saying we're old?!!?

Naw, Pum.

She's just saying you're old.

I used to fiddle with my back feet music for a black onyx. My entire room absorbed every echo. The music was . . . thud like. The music was . . . thud like. I usually played such things as rough-neck and thug. Opaque melodies that would bug most people. Music from the other side of the fence.

Keep tellin' yourself that.

That might be true but like I said on the freedom over half of the hive was full of people who would not help out to take out the mitos and most of the teams where half full less then 20 in all that was trying to take on hami, probably about 12 total. You might claim to be a leacher but I have seen you help take out some of the mitos.

I never claimed to be a "leacher".

I do find it humorous though, that you knew that the teams "where half full less then 20" and not ready on a "the freedom", and yet still proceeded to attempt it.

They where full to start with but after retreats due to multiple dc's including hami aggro and a few mito aggro tanks people started to leave. The DC's continued but they still wanted to try to do it. There is nothing wrong with trying and eventually it was just called as hopeless. I saw no leechers that night i think it failed for a few reasons that each one alone wouldn't have been a problem but together was just too much.

To compare a freedom raid to a Justice raid in my opinion is unfair. They have completed maybe 20 (a guesstimate) over Justice's thousands (also i am referring to the freedom group LSK was referring too not necessarily the whole server). It's like comparing cheese and chalk when talking about success and experience.

Just to be clear for everyone else, the raid I was referring to is actually a different one from the OP's. I just liked the title since it is a relative reference vs absolute.

Someone had made a comment about getting a hami raid together and I thought that Justice has the chops to do a last minute throwdown pug style public raid. Even though Justice was quite low on the population list (was about 6th spot on server loads where it is normally 3rd), I thought enough people were lazing about that we could put them to good use.

It took about 35 minutes for enough people to finish what they were doing and get to the hive but I'd guess that we started on GMs with about 25 people and it went quite smoothly from there.

Wasn't looking to compare servers but Justice has a very deep population of skilled players, enough to pug a hami given zero notice. Private raiding is possible too but given the open nature of Justice, it's hard to exclude joiners who want to hop in and contribute.

Wouldn't surprise me. Used to be in i3-i4 there were 2 raids per evening on average and sometimes a 3rd midnight raid as well. Occasionally someone would run a mid day raid because people were feeling left out so Justice was raiding 1-4 times a day.

Ah, those were the days.

We pulled off an impromptu raid just the other night, and it reminded me of the old days. I'm glad to see Justice is getting back into the swing of raiding regularly again.

Hmmmm?