Super Strength and its complications

There is absolutely nothing graceful about my Scrappers' Broadswords. It is a huge chunk of metal I swing around, which when I use Headsplitter or Disembowel, cause the freakin' screen to shake.

Lets also not forget that Stalkers have Broadsword.

I haveto ask...while those sets like SS getting ported over to Scrappers is good.

You have to feel sorry for the tanks! They don't change up the numbers! They need to change them up from the scrapper numbers.

Yeah, suuuure, Dark Melee for tanks makes them more survivable...so what?! It's so weak on a tank!

DM is actually one of the better Tanker secondaries, y'know.

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All correct... plus the sets that have followup or blinding feignt are in are balanced well with those 2 powers in them. They both do comparable damage to fire and dark melee with the buff active. If you nerfed the buff, it would drop those 2 sets' damage output to bleah levels. Considering those are 2 of the most recently and carefully re-balanced sets, I think they're performing the way Castle intends them to be.

In my opinion, the big problem with superstrength is the range in footstomp. It overshadows everything else in the melee sets except the also overpowered shield charge/lightning rod.

I like the rage mechanic myself. I've always suggested that they turn Focus Chi into a similar buff, to improve martial arts. (call it something other then "rage" so it fits into the martial arts theme... like, oh.. maybe focus chi.)

Knockout blow?.. it's fine. Every set has to have something special or it won't be.. well... special.

I laugh whenever someone decides to compare lore to CoH. Lore != CoH. Lore doesn't have ATs. Try comparing batman to a scrapper guess what, he's a stalker/scrapper. Theres a mind grenade for you.

The ONLY time Castle has ever stated that an AT will not get a set was with Stalkers and Shield Defense. So don't count your chickens before they hatch.

I still don't understand why people bring up comic books like that freaking matters at all. Despite you naming super strong characters whom you would consider "tanker" ATs, I can name a few who I would consider "scrappers".

Does that matter?

Not in the ******* least. Stop bringing it up.

I got my WP/DM up to lvl 34...and with the IOs, I have to tell you...the damage just felt WEAK!

Admittedly, I didnt have MG yet...but...*sigh* The Damage just didn't feel there. Worse than other sets because of the Tankers lower DMG mod.

Survival wise...OMG! Great. Siphon Life just makes a WP even more unstoppable. Add in the little tohit to stack with RTTC for even more "can't touch me"!

Well, it is a SUPERHERO MMO. >.> Why wouldn't they bring it up? For some, that does matter.

I know I much prefere to see superhero looking toons running around, than "I'm from WoW! Look at me!" heros running around. :P

Power sets just go more to that feel.

I think you may be the one that hasn't gotten the message.

The devs have ported over things to ATs that make no sense on them under the "rules" you quote. Claws and DB on Brutes. Fire Melee on Scrappers. If Scrappers ever had a lock-in on "graceful" attack sets (debateable, as neither BS nor DB have what I consider grace), that was dilluted long ago.

There's just no firm evidence to support your position. Stop acting like there is.

Edit: By the way.. There was nothing "hand to hand" about Martial Arts until power customization. That's six years of that claim being untrue - essentially the entire time interval where that opinion might have been formed for most players of the game.

I agree with the devilish-one.

SS/INV Scrapper? KoB crit? YES PLEASE!

Brutes are already doing Scrapper-level damage with the set, so let Scrappers have it.

I'd definitely give the Focused Accuracy treatment to Rage, and remove it's crash and it's ability to stack with itself (for all Archetypes) though.

Well, this is easy to fix: Make Dragon Tail the same size as Foot Stomp. Easy peasy! Heck, while we're at it, increase Spin, Whirling Sword, The Lotus Drops, and Flaming Sword Circle, as well.

All balanced now, and all scraps will love it. (Yes, I skipped electric melee's thunder strike on purpose. Also, spines, dual blades, and dark.)

Yup it is. Seismic smash, total focus, and energy transfer are all in the same neighborhood.

NAILED IT.

It simply would not be overpowered for scrappers. I remember hearing the same people crying doom when they removed the animation gaps from katana, claiming it would break the game, lol. It didn't and neither will giving scrappers SS.

And SS is definitely not overpowered for brutes or tanks. It's got mediocre single target damage, and one great aoe attack, coupled with a very annoying crash every couple of minutes. Tanks and brutes have ss yet the other sets manage to still get played. If you want single target dps, you definitely don't want ss, and there are other sets with better aoe. So again, 'overpowered' not found.

Everyone complains about footstomp being great, but is should be great. It's literally the only aoe the set has and you get it dead last in the set. Sure rage is nice for the to hit boost, but you need to spend a power to get it, slot it up, and then you're just doing damage on par with competing sets, so again, the only actual bonus to the power is the to hit bonus, which is overkill 90+% of the time in the pve game, and even that bonus is countered with a very annoying crash every couple of minutes where you do no damage, take an end hit and a def loss.

In regard to those saying it doesn't fit thematically with scrappers, thats just nonsense. Super strength is the iconic melee super power. To claim the melee specialist at should not have access to it seems pretty illogical to me. Scrappers, tanks and brutes are all pretty similar thematically, which is why they share many of the same sets, as they should. But if you're going to argue that being super strong doesnt fit with scrappers because they are inherently finesse while tankers and brutes are inherently more brutal, then good luck explaining dual blades being available on tanks. But beyond that, if there is one super power that should be available to all melee at's, it's the iconic SS.

Sunspot - scrapper. Definitely not a tank, definitely not a brute, definitely has super strength.

This was Statesman's view. Positron threw that out back when Power Proliferation started. We have been told that, barring Poison and Empathy, and Shield Defense for Stalkers, the plan is to eventually proliferate all sets.

And my opinion on porting the set is that I don't care what they change numbers wise, as long as Foot Stomp retains the radius. Lower Rage, lower the damage and KD chance on Foot Stomp, but please don't lower the radius. Stomping the ground and only having the people in melee range be affected just would feel weak, like Frenzy for Crab Spiders (oh how excited I was for that power until I ran into the middle of a group and only hit 3 guys with it).

I would play Stone Melee!

I would also play Ice Melee, Battle Axe, War Mace, and Energy Melee. I want it all for my Scrappers.

I disagree. You're ascribing some kind of concept to Scrapper and Tanker that isn't necessarily there.

If a character has better offence than defence, they're a Scrapper. I they have better defence they're a tanker.

Sunspot, Beast, Night Girl, Timber Wolf and Spiderwoman are all examples of superstrong scrappers.