Disallowed AT combos?


Aett_Thorn

 

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All,

I have a little random AT/character generator I've made. I use it sometimes when I want a new character but I'm not sure what I want. I've even used it with friends to make a random team, but it didn't last long since the complainer min-maxer in our group got "stuck" with Martial Arts/Invulnerability (scrapper). I think he missed the point.

Anyway, I've got conditional code in it so that the illegal combinations (for example Claws/Shield Defense) are not printed out. I'm wanting a comprehensive list of all the AT combos that are illegal.

The ones I know of are:

SCRAPPER:
Claws/Shield Defense
Dual Blades/Shield Defense
Katana/Shield Defense
Spines/Shield Defense

TANK:
Shield Defense/Dual Blades

BRUTE:
Claws/Shield Defense
Dual Blades/Shield Defense

Are there any others I'm missing?

Thanks,

Lewis


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Brutes: Claws/Stone Armor


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Claws/Stone Brute

Dammit, Aett! My computer lagged, and you HAD to sneak in and beat me to the punch, didn't you?


@Roderick

 

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Yes, I did, especially since I have one of these on test.


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~Ralph Waldo Emerson

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You have one of what on test? Claws/Stone Armor? I thought you said it wasn't possible?

I updated my application to disallow Claws/Stone Armor also. Are they about to make it possible on test or something?

The application, in case you want inspiration or you want to rope your buddies into a random team, is at:

http://www.lwb.org/compgeek/coh/random_at.php

Lewis


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"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
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Dual Pistols/SR scrappers


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Bill,

Aw man. That would rule, though, wouldn't it? I'd love to be able to soft cap a blaster to everything.

Lewis


Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan

 

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Considering that the DP set damn near forces you into melee...


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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon View Post
You have one of what on test? Claws/Stone Armor? I thought you said it wasn't possible?
It was on test when they discovered the reasons why it is not allowed now. Aett made his before they stopped allowing it, thus he still has one.


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Ah! I see. What were the reasons it was disallowed? Just curious.

Lewis


Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon View Post
Ah! I see. What were the reasons it was disallowed? Just curious.

Lewis
I believe it was mostly due to all the spinning and backflipping that claws does not fitting well with Granite Armor (and also probably because Granite Armor would make the claws disappear as it's a seperate body transform and not a graphics layer like other armors).


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ok, i gotta ask, why not just use mids hero designer? granted some of the numbers may be off, but it has everything you need.


 

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I think the point is for it to be random. If he looks at the sets, it's no longer random, but an informed decision. I think this program he made just, literally, randomly chooses AT, Primary, and Secondary at the click of a button, and it's up to you whether or not to go with it.

To Lewis, awesome idea, man. I'll be checking it out sometime!


 

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Originally Posted by WarronPeace View Post
I think the point is for it to be random. If he looks at the sets, it's no longer random, but an informed decision. I think this program he made just, literally, randomly chooses AT, Primary, and Secondary at the click of a button, and it's up to you whether or not to go with it.

To Lewis, awesome idea, man. I'll be checking it out sometime!
i wasn't saying anything was wrong with it, just wondered. thats all.


 

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SQ,

I'm not sure how looking at Mids helps. Well, you either mean to use Mids to find the illegal combos, or for ideas.

If you mean Illegal combos, using Mids is a bit painstaking and tedious. There are a lot of combos to look through (Mids flags the powers in Orange when the combo isn't allowed). I knew to look at everything with Shields, but I had no idea that Claws/Stone didnt work. I would have had to use brute force (heh). Not ideal. That's why I came here, hoping player knowledge would save me from looking through everything.

If you mean use Mids for ideas, the point isn't to get ideas. I have already made all 124 of the cool characters I've ever wanted to make. Nah, the point is to have a ramdomizer in case I just decide that I'm going to play a random character whether I like it or not. Its also good for making a random team with friends. You know, roll a random primary/secondary for each of the 5 hero ATs, then have you and your 3 other buddies squabble over who plays what, and then just deal with whatever the team was as rolled randomly from 1-50. Mids doesn't really help with that.

I hope that answered the question for ya.

Lewis


Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan

 

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Originally Posted by WarronPeace View Post
To Lewis, awesome idea, man. I'll be checking it out sometime!
Thanks.

The page generates 3 columns with a random roll for each non-unlockable AT. It also randomly picks a hero AT, a villain AT, and an AT across all of them. That way, for a single random character, you've got 3 columns to look at (if you cant live with column one) and you can make yourself use the random AT it rolled.

For teams, with friends, you can do interesting things like:

[RELAXED] Everything rolled is available (all 3 columns), friends squabble over who gets what from all 15 results (or 30 results if you are playing in RWZ AE or in the upcoming Going Rogue).

[LIMITED] Any ONE column is available, but the column used must be used by everyone. So, you get to squabble over which column to use, then over who gets to play what from within the column selected.

[STRICT] You must use column one. You still get to squabble over who plays what.

As I said in an earlier post, this worked for a while until the min-maxer in our group (who is also the complainer in our group) got sick of Martial Arts / Invulnerability. I still love and play my Mind/TA controller, even tho we didn't stick out our "Random Theme Group" to level 50.

Anyway, its just a time killer, and its kinda amusing. Here is the link again for convenience. http://www.lwb.org/compgeek/coh/random_at.php

Lewis


Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan