Why the Red/Blue end recover disparity?

All completely true, but we are comparing to Vigilance here. It doesn't really matter what I said or what I was thinking. I can't honestly think of any powers, inherent or otherwise, I like less than Vigilance.

So the defender is getting a good deal then.

Considering how many Defenders would probably swap Vigilance for an inherent that did nothing but provide a 10% damage buff to Brawl... I'd say so.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

My personal issue with Vigilance is that the power rewards failure. If I let a teammate die, I can keep them that way and receive a nice endurance discount. So it would actually penalize me for using -Damage, -ToHit, or +Defense powers due to my teammates not losing any health and so I get no form of an inherent. So I would absolutely take a 10% chance for a crit over Negligence :P

What do you expect me to do, bubble faster? Force Fields isn't an extreme example, either; it actually has worse endurance problems than, say, Empathy or Dark (due to the expensive toggles, tendency towards an aggressive playstyle, and considerable expense of single bubbles). Really, Vigilance isn't completely useless, as it's nice if you use a nuke or an EMP (after they're past the point of being needed). However, its stated purpose--"to protect the team... the Defender is able to look deep within him or herself and rise to the occasion"--is in contradiction to its mechanics. All it ever ends up being good for is blasting.*

I started in Issue 3, so I'm aware that Vigilance was never supposed to be a real power. (It was introduced for symmetry reasons; Defenders were about to become the only AT with no inherent power, but the Devs didn't want to change the status quo. Thus, they gave us a pseudo-power; this is also probably why they didn't bother to correct it before Issue 15, and nobody tended to notice or care that it actually increased the cost of your powers on most decent teams, even though it was a widely-known bug.) The reason I complain is that Defenders are now far less popular than anything else but Kheldians and (maybe) Stalkers, so I think they at least deserve a real inherent power to boost them a bit.

Besides all that, there is the usual concern that it is distasteful to give people a bonus for performing poorly.


*This is a bit of an exaggeration; Rez powers tend to be very expensive, but Defenders don't care much because a dead friend is worth a lot of Vigilance, so Defenders don't pay full price. This is a trivial case, in my opinion; if the Devs are worried about the very specific problem of Defender Rez costs, they can reduce them individually.

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Which is why my assumption it was a conceptual thing, the Stalker is not expected to sustain damage like a Scrapper. (Although there's good evidence that view changed when the changes came out)

I would like to see what Castle would do to a Set that has both Quick Recovery and a damage aura, however.

Ultimately, I think the thing is that while Quick Recovery is a useful power to have, it does NOT enhance your defense in any way. Endurance recovery is, for the most part, an offensive power, not a defensive one. While it does enable you to run more defensive toggles, what it REALLY allows you to do is sustain constant attacks while NOT losing your defensive toggles. You can always stop attacking and maintain your role as a meatshield.

This is not true of, say, Reconstruction. While it would be nice if Quick Recovery's effect was rolled into Reconstruction (say, giving an End boost as well as HP) this would not be consistent with the other Sets which lose a power in order to gain Hide. The design of Stalkers seems to include that their Primary and Secondary is slightly weaker compared to the other versions, disregarding Hide and AS. (Although it can be argued that Hide and AS are equally as valuable powers as the ones sacrificed)

The AoE bonus from Lucky got added into the AoE toggle for stalkers. In a way, that's a benefit because you don't need to use as many slots to enhance up to the same amount of AoE defense, but you also lose some of your scaling resists.