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Cedega / CoH Live and Test install guides for Mepis Linux 8.5 Beta 4

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By Flameshot,
Posted on: 2010-02-14 24:40 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs

 

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Thanks for posting these je-saist. Very nice work

It should also be noted that it isn't necessary to use Cedega (Which it not free) to be able to play CoH. It does work under Wine as well.



We'll see....

 

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Originally Posted by Flameshot View Post
Thanks for posting these je-saist. Very nice work

It should also be noted that it isn't necessary to use Cedega (Which it not free) to be able to play CoH. It does work under Wine as well.
It does, but the Cedega Engine is also the same engine used in the Official Cider Client. Subscribing to Cedega helps insure that the game remains playable under Linux.

So, use WINE... don't support the game.

Subscribe to Cedega... support the Game.

Your choice really.

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Edit: I sat on this for a while trying to figure out how I could explain why you wouldn't want to use WINE, and why subscribing to Cedega really is a better option for the future of the game on Linux. I started writing a post on the subject, and as it kept getting longer, and tying more random points together, I just moved it off of the forums and placed it here: http://zerias.blogspot.com/2010/02/w...lications.html

 

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Originally Posted by je_saist View Post
It does, but the Cedega Engine is also the same engine used in the Official Cider Client. Subscribing to Cedega helps insure that the game remains playable under Linux.
The game was playable under Linux without supporting Cedega. I was playing CoH under Wine before it was supported by Cedega. I disagree that paying Cedega ensures CoH remains playable under Linux. In fact, I think it goes against what Linux stands for. But that's really a debate for another day.

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So, use WINE... don't support the game.
I have to say that generally, your opinion is quite educated and valued around here. This just sounds ridiculous. Using a free open source alternative (Which Cedega was a fork of btw...) means you're not supporting a game that you PAY to play already? You're a lot smarter than that.

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Subscribe to Cedega... support the Game.
Yes, support a game you're already supporting by paying for another layer that's completely unnecessary.

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Edit: I sat on this for a while trying to figure out how I could explain why you wouldn't want to use WINE, and why subscribing to Cedega really is a better option for the future of the game on Linux.
I don't believe paying for an unnecessary layer on top of paying for the game benefits us in any way. That being said, if Cedega was the only way to play CoH under Linux, we would be having a very...very different conversation.



We'll see....

 

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Just to clarify here, please don't get me wrong. Your guide is excellent and this is certainly an optional for some. I just wanted to point out that it's not always necessary to have to pay for Cedega to play CoH under Linux.



We'll see....

 

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Originally Posted by Flameshot View Post
Just to clarify here, please don't get me wrong. Your guide is excellent and this is certainly an optional for some. I just wanted to point out that it's not always necessary to have to pay for Cedega to play CoH under Linux.
This, but I have to say that it is having certain issues, when playing under WINE such as bugged superjump and stuff. I have been running CoH under Ubuntu with the latest WINE version still buggy but as you said:
I am a suscriber to CoH, I already support this game. Also Linus Torvalds would also say: The way Cedega works is not the way I have intended to make Linux work (as he was programming Linux to be independent of UNIX licenses and doing this for the good of all people -> Open Source)

 

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This, but I have to say that it is having certain issues, when playing under WINE such as bugged superjump and stuff.
"Bugged superjump"? Are you running into bug 18296? If so, the workaround is to disable keyboard autorepeat while you're playing CoH.

For anyone playing CoH on Wine, keeping an eye on the AppDB page for CoH is a good idea -- it's got a list of known bugs and workarounds.

 

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Sorry to rez this thread but since the latest live patch 18-03-2010 CoX crashes for me constantly and needs to verify files on reload.

Any others having this difficulty?

edit: sorry forgot to add using WINE under Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic

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I'm not going to touch the Wine vs. Cedega debate with a 10 foot pole. I've been using Wine now for a few years to play COH. Until recently the experience has been pretty good. But...

Since I17 has come out I've run into more and more issues playing with Wine. Now I have to set -renderthreads to 0, limiting the use of this nice quad-core CPU, or the game never starts. The audio dies after a few moments of play, and I absolutely hate playing without sound. I only get a fraction of the capabilities of my Nvidia video card, and have the feeling that the video could be much better than I'm seeing now. Upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 has only complicated the issue.

I've tried running a virtual copy of Windows XP using VirtualBox 3.1.6, but COH crashes hard as soon as it starts loading. Something in DirectX is dying (I suspect), but I haven't nailed it down yet.

So - will using Cedega fix all these issues for me? I'm willing to pay some if I can get the full game experience. How does Cedega work now that I17 is out? What can I expect to improve and what will I just have to live with? Will paying for Cedega provide me with technical support for issues which crop up when new issues come out or new Linux functions are released?

Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful night!

Nick

 

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So - will using Cedega fix all these issues for me? I'm willing to pay some if I can get the full game experience. How does Cedega work now that I17 is out? What can I expect to improve and what will I just have to live with? Will paying for Cedega provide me with technical support for issues which crop up when new issues come out or new Linux functions are released?

Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful night!

Nick
Yes and No.

As of right now, Ultra Mode is NOT exposed on the shipping Cedega 7.3.3 engine you would get with a subscription. However, everything in I17 still works perfectly well with both Nvidia and ATi graphics cards. So if you define full game experience as "everything you can actually do in the game"... Cedega's already there and stable.

Ultra Mode IS exposed on the in-testing Cedega 8 engines against AMD RadeonHD Cards running Catalyst 10.1 or newer. (some functions, such as Ultimate Water, do work on Catalyst 9.3 for those using the legacy OpenGL 2.0 cards). Up until 3 or 4 patches before I17 launch Ultra Mode was working pretty well. A build update on the CoH side introduced problems with resolution scaling. The Game is highly unstable at 1920*1200, but perfectly functional at 1440*900.

Ultra Mode is currently NOT exposed to Nvidia cards with any in-testing Cedega engine that I'm aware of.

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About the only user-friendly feature within the game that isn't currently operational on any Cedega engine that I'm aware of is the copy function. Using Control-C locks up CoH on both ATi and Nvidia cards.

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What you can expect to improve?

Well, performance. The Cedega testing engines can get pretty close to Windows performance on Nvidia cards. There was also a significant jump in performance between shipping Cedega Engine and the first Cedega Testing engines.

Then there's 64bit support. Transgaming is working on a native 64bit UI package. You'll still have to run 32bit Windows Executables... but 64bit support should finally (after literal years) work out of the box for Nvidia cards like it has for ATi/AMD cards.

Will Cedega tech support actually RESPOND? That's the subscription worthy question. Transgaming's development model is pretty much like the development model of City of Heroes, meaning that if you have a problem, there's not really a whole lot anybody can do for you "immediatly". So if there's a driver issue or a game issue... your pretty much S.O.L.

That being said, you can have multiple Cedega engines installed at once, so if a future Cedega engine breaks compatibility, you can still keep using the older engine.

Is it worth the subscription cost? Well, that's what you have to decide. Personally, for me, and for my support of City of Heroes, it's worth the subscription cost.