Radiation, TA or Storm are the best options in my opinion - Grav is light on control and needs the extra control from the secondary.
/FF is nice as a concept but can be frustrating as once the bubbles are out you're stuck with the limitation of Grav.
L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR
Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller
Of the three...
1. /rad
2. /ta
3. /ff
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Originally Posted by fire_minded
radiant aura would give me perma hasten, and perma am the moment i got sos at level 22, and would allow me to spam my contol powers none stop, and my mag 3 hold thats on a 4 minute timer, would be slashed down to a 30 second timer.so this makes this look extreemly viable, however, i may want to save radiant aura for a diffrent controler build, so this one is kinda last on the list, because it doesnt really mesh well with the tech suit theme im giving the controller.
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huh?
I don't think you are aware what Radiant aura is just an AOE heal.
edit: just to clarify no AT or any combo of powers can have perma hasten with JUST SOs
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How much you wanna bet?|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
huh?
I don't think you are aware what Radiant aura is just an AOE heal. edit: just to clarify no AT or any combo of powers can have perma hasten with JUST SOs |
Serious...how much?I could use the Influence.
you show me a build with just SOs and perma hasten no bets involved I'll give you a free 100 Million.
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I tell you what, ill do one better.Ill make my Gravity Controller with Rad Secondary, and show you once I ding 22 with it.|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
you show me a build with just SOs and perma hasten no bets involved I'll give you a free 100 Million.
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If you dont feel like waiting, you can make a Rad Aura toon, and 3 slot Hasten, 3 slot AM, and start Hasten, then start up AM, and the moment it wears off of both of them, you can start Hasten, and AM back up again, just have 3 Recharge Redux in both powers.
You owe me 100 mil, ill take it the moment you see your truth, and thankx in advance.
Just a heads up there Lucky666, Iv done it 2 times before on a Plant/Rad, Controller and a Rad/Rad Defender.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I tell you what, ill do one better.Ill make my Gravity Controller with Rad Secondary, and show you once I ding 22 with it.
If you dont feel like waiting, you can make a Rad Aura toon, and 3 slot Hasten, 3 slot AM, and start Hasten, then start up AM, and the moment it wears off of both of them, you can start Hasten, and AM back up again, just have 3 Recharge Redux in both powers. You owe me 100 mil, ill take it the moment you see your truth, and thankx in advance. |
lol math not your strong suit is it, show me a build or no money.
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Ok, since you belive that I have to show you numbers, instead of showing you in person, you can keep your money.I dont need a moron back peddling on his own 100 million influence deal for proof.|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
lol math not your strong suit is it, show me a build or no money.
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What person tells me "Show me the Build first" when that person was just told they could be shown, to there face, in front of God and everyone in CoH that Perma-Hasten and Perma-AM, is possible using SOs.
You are very arrogant, and one of the most ignorant posters iv seen on these forums, and I seriously dout you even have 100 million in the first place to pay for it.
Im done with you, enjoy the lack of knowledge you seem to possess.As if your name doesnt tell us how ignorant you are in the first place.
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ok fine if your that admanent about not showing me simple numbers I'll meet you in game just say when and where.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ok, since you belive that I have to show you numbers, instead of showing you in person, you can keep your money.I dont need a moron back peddling on his own 100 million influence deal for proof.
What person tells me "Show me the Build first" when that person was just told they could be shown, to there face, in front of God and everyone in CoH that Perma-Hasten and Perma-AM, is possible using SOs. You are very arrogant, and one of the most ignorant posters iv seen on these forums, and I seriously dout you even have 100 million in the first place to pay for it. Im done with you, enjoy the lack of knowledge you seem to possess.As if your name doesnt tell us how ignorant you are in the first place. |
edit : oh and btw this is just gonna show even more how stupid you really are. your rep aint that red for no reason its because of stupid retarted **** like this
actually I changed my mind Im not wasting my time with someone as stupid as you like really you know nothing about this game just wait till someone else walks in this thread cause oh my yup its gonna be funny.
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I'm with Lucky666 on this, I've got a number of /Rad controllers all have Hasten and AM and none are perm using SO's or even L50 IO's.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ok, since you belive that I have to show you numbers, instead of showing you in person, you can keep your money.I dont need a moron back peddling on his own 100 million influence deal for proof.
What person tells me "Show me the Build first" when that person was just told they could be shown, to there face, in front of God and everyone in CoH that Perma-Hasten and Perma-AM, is possible using SOs. You are very arrogant, and one of the most ignorant posters iv seen on these forums, and I seriously dout you even have 100 million in the first place to pay for it. Im done with you, enjoy the lack of knowledge you seem to possess.As if your name doesnt tell us how ignorant you are in the first place. |
The only alt that I have with Perma Hasten is my Ill/Kin - that has got Hasten and about 100% Global recharge and even then I need to stack Siphon Speed to get Hasten perm.
L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR
Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Radiant Aura would give me Perma Hasten, and Perma AM the moment I got SOs at level 22, and would allow me to spam my contol powers none stop, and my mag 3 hold thats on a 4 minute timer, would be slashed down to a 30 second timer.
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Hasten lasts for 120 seconds, and recharges in 450.
That means to get it permanent you need to have a recharging at 450/120 = 3.75 times normal speed.
Thats +275% recharge.
You get +100% from Enhancements - roughly.
+70% from Hasten
+30% from Accelerate Metabolism.
Where's the other 75% coming from?
You then go to say that your 4 minute group hold will recharge in 30 seconds? Thats 3 times faster than normal, or +700% recharge.
With Hasten, AM and slotting it'll recharge in 4 minutes/3 = 83 seconds or so, maybe.
If you don't like numbers, that's fair enough, but spouting wrong numbers doesn't help your cause much.
Now, I can back this up with /Rad controllers I've made myself. My Mind/Rad was nowhere near perma-AM or Hasten at 22.
I made a pair of Fire/Rad controllers, who even with each others AM's kicking in, I didn't reach perma-Hasten or AM. Even with a few set bonuses for +Recharge, they didn't achieve perma-Hasten or AM by level 50.
Your calculations are off. Ironically, using a little programme called Mids could have avoided that error for you.
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Hmmm. Well, after over 5 years in this game, I have Ill/Rad, Fire/Rad, Earth/Rad and Plant/Rad all at 50. I have played Grav/Rad and Mind/Rad a ways, too, and have a second Ill/Rad in the upper 40's. I've spent a pretty good amount of time writing two guides on */Rad builds. The only one that has Perma AM, Perma Hasten is the Ill/Rad with lots of recharge IO bonuses. It is not possible to get perma AM or Hasten with SOs alone. Now, you can get them to recharge pretty quickly with only a small amount of downtime, but they can't be perma.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Radiant Aura would give me Perma Hasten, and Perma AM the moment I got SOs at level 22, and would allow me to spam my contol powers none stop, and my mag 3 hold thats on a 4 minute timer, would be slashed down to a 30 second timer.So this makes this look extreemly Viable, however, I may want to save Radiant Aura for a diffrent Controler build, so this one is kinda last on the list, because it doesnt really mesh well with the Tech Suit theme im giving the Controller.
Trick Arrows, this set goes well with any Controller Primary, with the exception of Illusion.This would grant me massive amount of Debuffs, and adding them to my controls, they would get max saturation, and igniting the Oil Slick wouldnt effect my pet either, because Singularity from what im told, follows you around and fights at range.So it would be a extreemly good secondary, and even add some additional fire damage to the smashing damage scale gravity brings.Not to mention because of the multitude of arrows you have, you can easly toss out a wide array of debuffs if the fight involves more then 1 or 2 mobs. Anyone have any advice on which would be a better match for Gravity Control, Thematically, and combonation wise? |
And, I disagree with your assertion that Illusion/TA is a bad combo. In fact, I consider Illusion to be the best primary with Trick Arrow. Phantom Army distracts the foes making it easy to stand at range and fire off the debuff and control arrows. Phantasm and Phantom Army all can attack at range, so the Oil Slick pet bug has less effect (unlike Fire/TA, where the Imps only have melee attacks). (I have an Illusion/Trick Arrow at 50 on Pinnacle -- if you want, I can show you how effective it can be.)
Rad is the best all-purpose secondary. It works well with all primaries, and is the best secondary with most. Radiation can easily fit in with any technology-based character . . . heck, Positron is a Rad/Rad Defender on steroids. Now, Grav is one of the weaker controller primaries. It has good single target damage with both Propel and Lift, but is moderate on single target control and low on AoE control. However, it has a few really fun powers that make for its weaknesses. My Grav controller is a Grav/Storm, which would be my recommendation as the best combo. Of the listing you made, I would suggest the order of preferred combos would be, to me . . .
Grav/Rad
Grav/TA
Grav/FF.
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Guide Links: Earth/Rad Guide, Illusion/Rad Guide, Electric Control
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Ok, since you belive that I have to show you numbers, instead of showing you in person, you can keep your money.I dont need a moron back peddling on his own 100 million influence deal for proof.
What person tells me "Show me the Build first" when that person was just told they could be shown, to there face, in front of God and everyone in CoH that Perma-Hasten and Perma-AM, is possible using SOs. You are very arrogant, and one of the most ignorant posters iv seen on these forums, and I seriously dout you even have 100 million in the first place to pay for it. Im done with you, enjoy the lack of knowledge you seem to possess.As if your name doesnt tell us how ignorant you are in the first place. |
Your signature is priceless.
Ok, so I guess being able to back to back Hasten and AM the moment they wear off has been imagined huh?
Very well, Ill make a Rad Aura toon and video it, as well as show that its only using SOs.
Heres a mids build with just AM and Hasten 3 slotted with SOs.
With both AM and Hasten on, Hasten recharges in 152.6 and AM recharging in 143.1 seconds. Niether of them are perma with 3 recharge SOs.
I have shown you proof to the contrary Fire Minded. Prove my proof wrong.
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Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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Just so we're clear, you're going to slot both powers (Hasten and AM) with 3 Recharge SO's? Or do you have some other trick up your sleeve?|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ok, so I guess being able to back to back Hasten and AM the moment they wear off has been imagined huh?
Very well, Ill make a Rad Aura toon and video it, as well as show that its only using SOs. |
And you're saying you've done this before and it gave you both powers active all the time?
If that's your plan, how do you explain the four people in this thread who've tried the same exact thing multiple times and it hasn't worked? I'm curious to know.
if u pop geas , AM and Hasten u will be able to perma AM and Hasten once! GIT WRECKED U OWE ME 100 mill!!!!
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once lol apparently you don't know what the definition of permanent is. |
Originally Posted by The Second Coming
if u pop geas , AM and Hasten u will be able to perma AM and Hasten once! GIT WRECKED U OWE ME 100 mill!!!!
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Git wrecked by english language
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
once lol apparently you don't know what the definition of permanent is.
Git wrecked by english language |
get 2 kins with SB!!! Git wricked by KN0WL3DG3!!!
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*new solution*
get 2 kins with SB!!! Git wricked by KN0WL3DG3!!! |
lol
ur not allowed to laff untill u pay meh!!!
The way I perma'd both AM and Hasten, was by triggering my Hasten, that had 3 SOs of recharge, then 5 seconds later, Triggering AM.If you stay on top of it, that 5 seconds of Recharge allows Hasten to coast to where you can trigger it again, when it wears off, and it adds to the Recharge of the remaining 5 seconds of AM, which also has 3 SOs of Recharge in it.
Thus, you just triggered them both, back to back, a mere 5 seconds after Hasten Wears off from the first cycle.If 5 seconds isnt considered perma, then fine, but 5 Seconds is NOTHING.
Hasten First, 5 seconds later, AM, then Hit Hasten the moment it looks like its about to fully recharge, it goes off, then hit AM 5 seconds later.
Ok, iv got a issue with making a controller.Ill add that in the past, iv made controllers on my old Vet account, but this time, im having a power secondary issue.
Iv never played with Gravity Control before on a Controller.Matter of fact, the only 2 I have played are Plant and Earth.Both sets I enjoy, but I try not to use the same sets twice on any given AT, for Primary, or Secondary.
Now, Gravity Control is final for this caharcter, iv already got a name, and costume standing by.My only problem, is that im torn between 3 diffrent Secondaries for this Controller.
/Force Fields
/Trick Arrows
/Radiant Aura
All 3 of these Secondaries have really good points to them, and I can use them all very well.The major problem is, WHICH ONE?!
Force Fields does alot of KB, and Repel, and team Def%, which is rather fun, and easy to use solo, or in a team, and would allow me time for focus on Controlling.
Radiant Aura would give me Perma Hasten, and Perma AM the moment I got SOs at level 22, and would allow me to spam my contol powers none stop, and my mag 3 hold thats on a 4 minute timer, would be slashed down to a 30 second timer.So this makes this look extreemly Viable, however, I may want to save Radiant Aura for a diffrent Controler build, so this one is kinda last on the list, because it doesnt really mesh well with the Tech Suit theme im giving the Controller.
Trick Arrows, this set goes well with any Controller Primary, with the exception of Illusion.This would grant me massive amount of Debuffs, and adding them to my controls, they would get max saturation, and igniting the Oil Slick wouldnt effect my pet either, because Singularity from what im told, follows you around and fights at range.So it would be a extreemly good secondary, and even add some additional fire damage to the smashing damage scale gravity brings.Not to mention because of the multitude of arrows you have, you can easly toss out a wide array of debuffs if the fight involves more then 1 or 2 mobs.
Anyone have any advice on which would be a better match for Gravity Control, Thematically, and combonation wise?