While defense is always nice, I would say most important is to get high recharge for Heatloss/your AoE controls back up again as soon as possible.
If you do build for defense, S/L would be your best bet because you can take either the Stone or Ice APP armors.
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I was thinking of taking Ice APP as part of the theme lol.
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Originally Posted by Silas
While defense is always nice, I would say most important is to get high recharge for Heatloss/your AoE controls back up again as soon as possible.
If you do build for defense, S/L would be your best bet because you can take either the Stone or Ice APP armors. |
My Ice/Cold Troller sort of floundered around lvl 30. The issue seems to be unless your can consistantly get on large teams you are hard pressed to accomplish much. It could be that my Cold/Ice defender just rocks socks, but I found that Ice/ Cold's theme is "lets make everything painfully slow." It seems you can make it very safe for teams but its not a combo I would recomend for solos..
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Originally Posted by hewhorocks
My Ice/Cold Troller sort of floundered around lvl 30. The issue seems to be unless your can consistantly get on large teams you are hard pressed to accomplish much. It could be that my Cold/Ice defender just rocks socks, but I found that Ice/ Cold's theme is "lets make everything painfully slow." It seems you can make it very safe for teams but its not a combo I would recomend for solos..
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True but it gets better at 32 and much better at top levels. When my Ice Controllers get stuck now I go back to Atlas and join a sewer team. Arctic Air is ridiculously good at neutering the sewers. It's not the most fun thing to slum it like this, but it does work these days.
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Originally Posted by hewhorocks
My Ice/Cold Troller sort of floundered around lvl 30. The issue seems to be unless your can consistantly get on large teams you are hard pressed to accomplish much. It could be that my Cold/Ice defender just rocks socks, but I found that Ice/ Cold's theme is "lets make everything painfully slow." It seems you can make it very safe for teams but its not a combo I would recomend for solos..
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Well, I havnt played this controller, but by having a Cold/Ice Defender, I can give a little tip in game play.
The Pet you get will make a huge diffrence, and so will using Sleet as much as possible to drop damage resistance by -30%, then later on, use heatloss on mobs as often as possible along with Sleet, for a additional -30% Damage Resitance hit, making it score -60%.
I dont see this Controller having any issues Solo, or in a Team setting.
If it solo's, id Suggjest the same thing I would for a Ice/Ice/Ice Tanker.Which is up the mob # to 8.
The reason why I say up the Mob, is if your going to Solo, and you know your damage isnt great, why waste your time killing solo targets?You can just as easly get a whole bunch of Lts, and Minions, and wipe the floor with them on a solo run with it upped to 8 man capacity.
Less HP, AoE Spamming, they die at a reasonable pace.Lets not forget, that AoE means more then 1 or 2 targets at a time.If you think of it the way a person trying to max the incomming experiance from a solo run, then this will be your best bet.
Instead of wasting your time with doing 30, then 60 damage on 1 Target for 2 moves, you can spam out 2 AoE attacks, and hit a total of 16 targets for 10, then 20 each hit after that.Get where im going?The damage is no dout smaller, but you end up killing more then if you where concentrating on a single target at a time.
Not to mention your Jack Frost will speed things along as well, and so will Sleet, and Heat Loss.
I usually find it a bit odd when someone says something cant solo well, because most times, they are compairing it to the fastest soloer in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
If it solo's, id Suggjest the same thing I would for a Ice/Ice/Ice Tanker.Which is up the mob # to 8.
The reason why I say up the Mob, is if your going to Solo, and you know your damage isnt great, why waste your time killing solo targets?You can just as easly get a whole bunch of Lts, and Minions, and wipe the floor with them on a solo run with it upped to 8 man capacity. Less HP, AoE Spamming, they die at a reasonable pace.Lets not forget, that AoE means more then 1 or 2 targets at a time.If you think of it the way a person trying to max the incomming experiance from a solo run, then this will be your best bet. Instead of wasting your time with doing 30, then 60 damage on 1 Target for 2 moves, you can spam out 2 AoE attacks, and hit a total of 16 targets for 10, then 20 each hit after that.Get where im going?The damage is no dout smaller, but you end up killing more then if you where concentrating on a single target at a time. Not to mention your Jack Frost will speed things along as well, and so will Sleet, and Heat Loss. I usually find it a bit odd when someone says something cant solo well, because most times, they are compairing it to the fastest soloer in the first place. |
I am going to dissent. I don't think most people should plan on taking a pre-pet Ice Controller into a x8 mission and expect to survive or kill things at an acceptable rate. I'm sure someone has pulled it off, but I can't imagine it was very fun.
Ice Control has one native AoE damage power (not two), and it cancels one of your best tools for staying alive. Arctic Air adds some indirect damage, but in a x8 mission staying far enough back to avoid hits is difficult, not to mention a single mezz will detoggle you. The -Recharge in the powers will help some, but you will still be getting shot.
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Ice is, arguably, the lowest damage controller primary, just slightly less than Earth Control. It takes a lot of effort to make an Ice controller able to solo, and then it isn't very fast. The AoE damage from Frostbite is not enough to be worth mentioning. Chilblain slotted for damage and Air Superiority gives some single target damage, combined with Containment from Block of Ice can allow you to take down single targets over time, but it takes a while. The Cold secondary provides some decent -Resistance from Sleet, but no additional damage.|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I am going to dissent. I don't think most people should plan on taking a pre-pet Ice Controller into a x8 mission and expect to survive or kill things at an acceptable rate. I'm sure someone has pulled it off, but I can't imagine it was very fun.
Ice Control has one native AoE damage power (not two), and it cancels one of your best tools for staying alive. Arctic Air adds some indirect damage, but in a x8 mission staying far enough back to avoid hits is difficult, not to mention a single mezz will detoggle you. The -Recharge in the powers will help some, but you will still be getting shot. |
I would certainly say that an Ice/Cold controller is great team character, but will be a very, very slow solo'er. The APP sets can help a bunch, but that is very late in the career of the character. Ice and Fire can provide pretty good damage.
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So, at a setting set for 8 on mobs, and a -1 or a +0 WITHOUT BOSSES, it wouldnt work?Hmmmm, im not so sure about that one.|
Originally Posted by Local_Man
Ice is, arguably, the lowest damage controller primary, just slightly less than Earth Control. It takes a lot of effort to make an Ice controller able to solo, and then it isn't very fast. The AoE damage from Frostbite is not enough to be worth mentioning. Chilblain slotted for damage and Air Superiority gives some single target damage, combined with Containment from Block of Ice can allow you to take down single targets over time, but it takes a while. The Cold secondary provides some decent -Resistance from Sleet, but no additional damage.
I would certainly say that an Ice/Cold controller is great team character, but will be a very, very slow solo'er. The APP sets can help a bunch, but that is very late in the career of the character. Ice and Fire can provide pretty good damage. |
MAYBE IF I WRITE IN BOLD PRINT PEOPLE WILL READ IT?
Maybe not.Either way, 1 AoE, is more then enough at that solo setting, because of Containment, and as for being shot?As it stands right now, I dont see how much is going to attack you with there recharge floored, and if it does, you could be smart and say, I dunno, GET THE MEDICINE POOL?!DUH!
Plenty of time to heal when they rarely attack in the first place.
By the way, read Sleet.It states at level 50, it does 25 base damage, which isnt much, but certainly not not 0.Hows that for nit-picking?
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MAYBE IF I WRITE IN BOLD PRINT PEOPLE WILL READ IT?
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Anyway, in regard to your post, if you really want to try soloing a pre-pet Ice/Cold, go for it. I have a feeling you'll be dissapointed in the results. And will also find having a self-heal won't turn the tide enough to significantly change the outcome. Even if you can survive the incoming damage, killing stuff with an AoE that has a base damage of 9.18 requires the kind of patience I'm just not made of.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
So, at a setting set for 8 on mobs, and a -1 or a +0 WITHOUT BOSSES, it wouldnt work?Hmmmm, im not so sure about that one.
MAYBE IF I WRITE IN BOLD PRINT PEOPLE WILL READ IT? Maybe not.Either way, 1 AoE, is more then enough at that solo setting, because of Containment, and as for being shot?As it stands right now, I dont see how much is going to attack you with there recharge floored, and if it does, you could be smart and say, I dunno, GET THE MEDICINE POOL?!DUH! Plenty of time to heal when they rarely attack in the first place. By the way, read Sleet.It states at level 50, it does 25 base damage, which isnt much, but certainly not not 0.Hows that for nit-picking? |
I took my Ice/Storm up to 50 with a build that was specifically made to try to maximize damage for when I was solo, using Chilblain slotted for damage and Air Superiority . . . and it was still too slow. And */Storm gets Freezing Rain (same as Sleet) at level 16 and has decent damage powers in the upper levels with Tornado and Lightning Storm. The AoE damage is so pitiful that you will take a lot of damage before you can kill off the group. Before the mid and late 30's, solo was very, very slow and painful (since I didn't have a self-heal). Cold has even less mitigation than Storm, so I would not want to try to solo that character.
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I never said anything about soloing it, i just wanted to know if i should work on range damage or s/l damage or res in those.
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I never said anything about soloing it, i just wanted to know if i should work on range damage or s/l damage or res in those.
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A lot depends on your playstyle and build. Are you going to be mostly melee using Arctic Air? Mostly ranged using Shiver? With the APP armor sets, it will be easier to get Smashing/Lethal Defense than Ranged defense since the Earth and Ice Armors have decent Smashing/Lethal defense. Also, if you build your character for more melee play with Arctic Air, you might need both Ranged and Melee if you were building for positional defense, so building for Smashing/Lethal may be more effective since the APP armors give typed defense rather than positional.
Personally, I prefer Ice Controllers to play melee and take advantage of Arctic Air, so I would build for Smash/Lethal using the Earth APP set. Not only do you get good defense, but your attacks, Seismic Smash and Fissure, are good melee and short ranged attacks. The armor is ugly, however. Ice fits more visually and thematicly.
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I would build for recharge first, and pick up any extra s/l defense you can as incidental bonuses rather than building for it specifically.
The Earth APP is a really good one for Ice/Cold, although thematically a little weird. The Ice APP also works well.
The other one to think about is the Mind APP. It's shield is resistance based, but I always find it really tempting for Ice Controllers, especially ones with high recharge, mainly because of Indomitable Will reducing how often you toggle-drop Arctic Air.
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Originally Posted by oedipus_tex
fireminded, i don't know if you read your own posts. I hope this sounds constructive, but you have a way of talking that's very confrontational. A lot of us here are passionate, and we do argue. But didn't you very recently post a mea culpa about the tone of your posts and confess that you had a habit of posting while drunk? My apologies if i'm thinking of someone else.
Anyway, in regard to your post, if you really want to try soloing a pre-pet ice/cold, go for it. I have a feeling you'll be dissapointed in the results. And will also find having a self-heal won't turn the tide enough to significantly change the outcome. Even if you can survive the incoming damage, killing stuff with an aoe that has a base damage of 9.18 requires the kind of patience i'm just not made of. |
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Which pretty much mean the following advice comes across as rather hollow considering how bad it is. You pretty much need to slot up AA to get much AoE damage going via the confuse and damage procs and running it before Stamina is rather tricky. The pet doesn't come until 32. Sleet doesn't come until 35. There's reasons why Ice is one of, if not the worst controller to solo.
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Well, I havnt played this controller
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True but really fun in later levels IMO..
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
Which pretty much mean the following advice comes across as rather hollow considering how bad it is. You pretty much need to slot up AA to get much AoE damage going via the confuse and damage procs and running it before Stamina is rather tricky. The pet doesn't come until 32. Sleet doesn't come until 35. There's reasons why Ice is one of, if not the worst controller to solo.
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Ok I am not any good with mids when it comes to building toons. I was hoping to get some suggestions on what I need to do to build a Ice/Cold troller when I do mids on it. Examples like should I worry about range/AoE defense or S/L defense? ( and no I am not looking for a build I want to try to build it my self)