Sacrificing too much damage for recovery? Staminaless stalker
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black_barrier,
Posted on: 2010-02-11 02:15 in Everything about PvP
You do not need both Phase and Hibernate. If you insist on keeping Spirit Shark, drop Hibernate and just make do with Phase (you will get camped in zones, a lot, if you use Hibernate). A WP is fairly endurance friendly so long as you're not spamming attacks - as long as you've got the Numina and Miracle unique slotted, as well as a decent amount of +recovery from set bonuses (my Ele/WP runs about 2.33 end/sec recovery with 1.8 end/sec end usage with all the WP toggles, Stealth, Assault, Tactics, SS, and SJ on, but I prefer to run CJ instead of SJ unless I need the vertical).
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I disagree... In zones with the prevalence of TA's, Quicksand (earth mastery tanks) and caltrops on every fcking scrapper, you are going to need phase and hibernate. You use hibernate for initial phase/HP Recovery and then pop out with phase to escape. If you do not double phase you will die 80% of the times you come out of hibernate.|
Originally Posted by macskull
You do not need both Phase and Hibernate. If you insist on keeping Spirit Shark, drop Hibernate and just make do with Phase (you will get camped in zones, a lot, if you use Hibernate). A WP is fairly endurance friendly so long as you're not spamming attacks - as long as you've got the Numina and Miracle unique slotted, as well as a decent amount of +recovery from set bonuses (my Ele/WP runs about 2.33 end/sec recovery with 1.8 end/sec end usage with all the WP toggles, Stealth, Assault, Tactics, SS, and SJ on, but I prefer to run CJ instead of SJ unless I need the vertical).
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In team pvp, I will concede that phase is mostly useless. However in the odd time you fight a team with an extremely good TA you may need phase to lose acid arrow.
IMO if you are playing a stalker without a defensive tier9 or shadowmeld you need to take both Hiber and Phase.
-Kiri
You don't "need" both hiber and phase on a stalker. But I do have both on mine and wouldn't drop hiber unless they nerf the hiber/phase combo. It's nice to have for zone pvp. For arena phase is more than enough.
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very much disagree, kiri.|
Originally Posted by IcyKiri
I disagree... In zones with the prevalence of TA's, Quicksand (earth mastery tanks) and caltrops on every fcking scrapper, you are going to need phase and hibernate. You use hibernate for initial phase/HP Recovery and then pop out with phase to escape. If you do not double phase you will die 80% of the times you come out of hibernate.
In team pvp, I will concede that phase is mostly useless. However in the odd time you fight a team with an extremely good TA you may need phase to lose acid arrow. IMO if you are playing a stalker without a defensive tier9 or shadowmeld you need to take both Hiber and Phase. -Kiri |
in zone, you really dont need hiber if you have phase and a heal. no heal takes longer than the phase timer to recharge, so once you're inside phase, you can heal up if you really need to.
also, phase requires 0 slot investment.
hibernate on the other hand, requires that you slot at least the equivalent of two heal SOs to make it even remotely comparable to lolrest.
i could see making an argument for using hibernate on an /sr on a /ea, but definitely not on a wp/nin/regin.
in the time it takes you wait til the hibernate regen kicks in, can go into rest and gain more hp out of it with a single green so slotted into it, while still being able to hit reconstruction if you are wp/nin/regin. warhamster did the math on that already.
also, phase is most definitely not useless in a team pvp match.
i've gotten my fair share of thunderstrike/shrak phase kills on my elec/ea (back when i didn't have many kb resistant toons and insisted on stalking/shraking).
finally, on a stalker, you should always be in evasion mode. you get touched, you run the crap away to get back into hide. anyone who stalked even once in the old ladder will tell you that as soon as you get hit, you need to gtfout asap and get back into hide order to do your job because once you're out of a hide, you become a really nice target if people that understand how ridiculously squishy stalkers are, is calling.
if you go straight into hibernate when you're being attacked, you will, more likely than not, take an extra hit of damage since you just stood still for 1.5 secs while the stupid thing animates and activates. that's 1.5 secs and a reset into your hide counter that you dont get if you phase and while running. 1.5 secs when you have the likes of march or hot trying to gerbil up your *** with their stupid grav dots is the difference between having to wait 5 seconds for crush to stop dot-ing or 10 seconds for a second crush to stop dot-ing. that happening 5 times during the match means you have just been taken out of 5 spikes/potential kills.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
very much disagree, kiri.
in zone, you really dont need hiber if you have phase and a heal. no heal takes longer than the phase timer to recharge, so once you're inside phase, you can heal up if you really need to. also, phase requires 0 slot investment. hibernate on the other hand, requires that you slot at least the equivalent of two heal SOs to make it even remotely comparable to lolrest. i could see making an argument for using hibernate on an /sr on a /ea, but definitely not on a wp/nin/regin. in the time it takes you wait til the hibernate regen kicks in, can go into rest and gain more hp out of it with a single green so slotted into it, while still being able to hit reconstruction if you are wp/nin/regin. warhamster did the math on that already. also, phase is most definitely not useless in a team pvp match. i've gotten my fair share of thunderstrike/shrak phase kills on my elec/ea (back when i didn't have many kb resistant toons and insisted on stalking/shraking). finally, on a stalker, you should always be in evasion mode. you get touched, you run the crap away to get back into hide. anyone who stalked even once in the old ladder will tell you that as soon as you get hit, you need to gtfout asap and get back into hide order to do your job because once you're out of a hide, you become a really nice target if people that understand how ridiculously squishy stalkers are, is calling. if you go straight into hibernate when you're being attacked, you will, more likely than not, take an extra hit of damage since you just stood still for 1.5 secs while the stupid thing animates and activates. that's 1.5 secs and a reset into your hide counter that you dont get if you phase and while running. 1.5 secs when you have the likes of march or hot trying to gerbil up your *** with their stupid grav dots is the difference between having to wait 5 seconds for crush to stop dot-ing or 10 seconds for a second crush to stop dot-ing. that happening 5 times during the match means you have just been taken out of 5 spikes/potential kills. |
I am definitely a proponent of phase. I'm just not willing to concede that Hibernate is useless.
I feel safer dropping into a 100% safe "phase" (hibernate) to absorb whatever is coming at me then dropping hiber and into phase.
Just my 2 cents,
Kiri
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Originally Posted by IcyKiri
Sure, I agree with your points completely.
I am definitely a proponent of phase. I'm just not willing to concede that Hibernate is useless. I feel safer dropping into a 100% safe "phase" (hibernate) to absorb whatever is coming at me then dropping hiber and into phase. Just my 2 cents, Kiri |
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No, you're misunderstanding me. I said that you don't need both Hibernate and phase (personally I'd take only phase and then just Spirit Shark if I wanted to go that route, but I prefer Soul Mastery for Shadow Meld). I do agree that if you take Hibernate in zone you are going to want another escape power or you'll get camped relentlessly (I use the temp phase power on my toons with Hibernate). I try to avoid phasing in the first place by dropping into Invisibility and popping Shadow Meld when things get hairy, which more often than not is enough to get most things off me (as many people in zone don't have perception).
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Originally Posted by IcyKiri
I disagree... In zones with the prevalence of TA's, Quicksand (earth mastery tanks) and caltrops on every fcking scrapper, you are going to need phase and hibernate. You use hibernate for initial phase/HP Recovery and then pop out with phase to escape. If you do not double phase you will die 80% of the times you come out of hibernate.
In team pvp, I will concede that phase is mostly useless. However in the odd time you fight a team with an extremely good TA you may need phase to lose acid arrow. IMO if you are playing a stalker without a defensive tier9 or shadowmeld you need to take both Hiber and Phase. -Kiri |
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