Damage procs for defender?

Greetings, everybody.

Since defenders have a rather low base damage value, I wondered whether it might be a good idea to use some damage procs in the hold aura and some attacks of my rad defender.

As far as I know proc damage doesn't change with archetype, so the additional damage by the proc(s) will proportionally be higher for a defender than for a high-damage archetype.

But, is it an efficient use of enhancement slots?

When I first thought about procs for a scrapper concept, I considered them to be a way to get around the E.D. capping. (Basically, if another damage enhancement would be "E.D.ed" away almost completely, you are better off using a proc instead.) This would seem to indicate that damage procs shouldn't be used in attacks unless the power has already been slotted for maximum regular damage.

On the other hand, looking especially at a low-damage attack like Neutrino Bolt, the numbers seem to indicate that statistically a damage proc would be more effective than a regular damage IO in that power.

I know defenders are no blasters, but if I want to use some slots for damage, what would you suggest is the better option?

Thanks for your thoughts on this issue,

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in my experience, the best place to put a dmg proc is in a power that normally does no dmg, but slotting them into normal power is fine if you wanted a slight dmg boost every now and then.

Well, the question depends, since some procs are 15% (touch of death) chance for damage and most are 20% (standard IOs) and purple procs are 33%.

A typical damage proc though at lvl 50 is a 20% for 71.25 damage, so if the damage enhancement would give you less than 14.25 damage you are better off slotting the proc.

If you are looking at a purple damage proc than you are looking at a 33% chance of dealing 106.8 damage. here the damage proc is better as long as slotting damage enhancments would give you less then 35.6 damage.

Neutrino Bolt, definitely yes.

Most damage procs have a 20% chance of causing 71 damage at level 50 - thats an average of 14 damage.

Neutrino Bolt does 21 base damage at level 50, so a damage SO or plain IO adds 1/3 of that, or only 7 damage. The damage proc is twice as effective on average.

A standard 4 second attack (most Tier 1's or X-Ray Eyes) does a base of 36 damage, so a damage IO adds 12 damage. The ddmage proc is slightly more effective but its close. For higher damage scale attacks, use the damage IO if its either or.

You can also, as you said, use damage procs AND damage slotting to sort of bust the ED cap. This will be the equivalnet of slotting X-Ray Eyes with an extra damage IO (4 total), and Cosmic Burst with maybe an extra 1/2 damage IO.

My advice - stick one damage proc in Xray Eyes, and as many as you can in N-Bolt. Also add the Achilles Heel Chance for -Res into N-Bolt while you're there.


I've done this with my current FF/Energy blaster - slotted Power Bolt, Power Blast and Power Burst with the Explosive Strike damage procs. Its not game changing, but I do see them go off, and its does help a little bit with soloing.

Also note that +dmg boost, ie Kin, doesn't boost the proc damage. -res will.

Area attacks are an extremely good place to put procs.

My FF/Rad loves all the procs I've got in Irradiate.

Dont the cool kids put procs in choking cloud, too?

/Rad is a proc machine.

I have the chance to heal, chance to hold, and I believe a damage proc in neutrno and x-ray.

I believe i have 3 damage procs in irradiate as well, as that's up fast enough and can hit a lot of targets that there's usually at least one that fires off...

Rad blast is amazing for procs. You can slot two just from the def dbuff and acc def dbuff and then add in ranged ones onto that.

If you have the money slotting Nuc's into those attacks can give you stand or extremely high dmg and acc along with saving room for procs.

yeah lockdown proc is awesome in choking clooud. plus it has the good idea to be very identifiable (elec hold animation)
on my rad troller it seems to trigger VERY often

i know it's a bit expensive, but only me think that the coercive persuasion proc in world of confusion is a good tool too? ^^'


for patch on the other hand i'm a bit confused.

on my ice/thorn dom, the proc of my thorntrop is really wonderfull when coupled with the 2 (or 3 i don't remember) i have in arctic air.

on the other hand in tar patch.. it's at best a "customisation"