Shields/Ice, for my 3rd tank.

I made a fire/shield scrapper... lots of fun. Going to make an ice counterpart, and right now, only tanks have Ice melee and shields, so here i am. I'm kind of intregued with the idea, after playing with mids a bit. Here's the build below. Looking for advice and feeback.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
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Level 50 Natural Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Deflection RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(5), S'dpty-Def(9), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(13), ResDam-I(19), ResDam-I(46)
Level 1: Frozen Fists S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(7), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), Acc-I(31)
Level 2: Ice Sword S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(9), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), Acc-I(31)
Level 4: True Grit Heal-I(A), Heal-I(5), Heal-I(11)
Level 6: Active Defense HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(7), HO:Membr(15)
Level 8: Against All Odds EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(25)
Level 10: Battle Agility RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(11), S'dpty-Def(13), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19)
Level 12: Swift Run-I(A)
Level 14: Health Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(23)
Level 16: Build Up AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), RechRdx-I(17), AdjTgt-Rchg(46)
Level 18: Phalanx Fighting Ksmt-ToHit+(A)
Level 20: Stamina P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod(43)
Level 22: Combat Jumping S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(43), S'dpty-Def(43)
Level 24: Kick Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Shield Charge C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(27), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31)
Level 28: Freezing Touch S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(34), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(34), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), Acc-I(40)
Level 30: Taunt Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(33), Mocking-Taunt(45), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(45), Mocking-Rchg(46)
Level 32: One with the Shield S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ResDam-I(33), ResDam-I(33)
Level 35: Greater Ice Sword S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(36), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(36), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), Acc-I(37)
Level 38: Frozen Aura Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Tough TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam(42), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: Super Jump Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A), Zephyr-Travel(45)
Level 47: Weave RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(48), S'dpty-Def(48), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Grant Cover RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def(50), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(50), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet



I'm over the softcap, 48 ish in each stat. I did that, because this set doesn't have as much DDR as an SR, and wanted a cushion. Between that, and extra 50% HP (2800ish, capped with OWTS) and some token to decent resistince to the most common damage, this looks to be a pretty tough build.

Question, the Membrains i'm slotting in Active D. will that incress my DDR like mids says it will? Is it worth it?

Comments and suggestions are welcome! Thanks in advance! (the build was kind of thrown together. Some of my power picks are kind of wonky i know. think of this more as a respec build then a leveling build.)

You skipped Ice Patch? I took it as soon as it was available. It's just huge for reducing incoming damage and it has a 35 second recharge and 31 second duration. A recharge in the base slot and it's always available.

Re SD: I see you took all 9 powers, Tough and Weave, CJ, Steadfast +def and slotted to get past the soft cap. 'nuff said. My SD/axe did exactly the same. Extremely tough build.

Me? I'm currently working on my 5th tank and have NEVER taken Build Up, or the equivalent, on a tank. Let the blasters and scrappers take it. And I do, on my blasters and scrappers (and brutes).

I have build up on my ice/fire tank; the damage boost is enough to let me take out minions, some lts (depending on procs), and chew into bosses in one AOE string. fire melee and ice melee are two different things, though. I've not much experience with ice melee.

I might suggest taking ice patch on your journey to 50, and respeccing out of it for your softcap build. Or not. at least then you can make your own call on if you like the power more than a build-up.

I'm planning a shield/ice tank as well; i'd be curious to hear more of your experience, KingSnake.

remember one thing about Ice patch, and if you go back into all the old fire ice threads you can find many posts on this. Ice patch only affects 5 at a time. Purple bosses will try and succeed at running off of it. It is an added bit of control which is very helpful. Build up is also very helpful and having that extra bit of +tohit and +damage on top of AAO truly makes shield the "offensive" tank. (I have a 50 Shield/ice and a 50 fire/ice and the shield is around 30% faster at completeing the same missions in AE)

When you are soft capped or near soft capped you will not notice not having Ice Patch. Respecing out of it is an option... but you dont need control if the enemies are already defeated.

Frost is a great power and needed for Ice melee. It has a very wide cone, but it is short. Later it is really good to slot with Damage range HO's.

I rarely use Greater Ice Sword. It is slow and doesnt hit very hard. Teaming you wont miss it. Frost and Frozen Aura take care of Minions and Lt's that Shield Charge doesnt.


I would do your levels and IO bonuses completely different. But that is just me.



Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(11), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(13), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23), LkGmblr-Def(25)
Level 1: Frozen Fists -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: True Grit -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), ResDam-I(3), Numna-Heal(3), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(9), Numna-Heal/Rchg(11), Heal-I(23)
Level 4: Frost -- Zinger-Acc/Rchg(A), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(5), Mocking-Rchg(5), HO:Centri(7), HO:Centri(7), HO:Centri(9)
Level 6: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(21)
Level 8: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(19)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(17), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mrcl-Heal(19), Mrcl-EndRdx/Rchg(21), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 18: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(37), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(40)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- Taunt-I(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(36), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(36)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 28: Freezing Touch -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(29), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(31), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(31)
Level 30: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(34), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 32: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Def(33), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(33), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(37), GftotA-Def(37)
Level 35: One with the Shield -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 38: Frozen Aura -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 41: Char -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(42), Lock-Rchg/Hold(42), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(42), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(43), Lock-%Hold(43)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg(45), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet

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Ice Ember

I put the chance for heal out of the sleep set (cant remember which set) in frozen aura, it works really well. I heal around 100 points every other group and have healed up to 400 at a time from it, not that I ever really need the heal but it is a fun option. I do a good bit of farming with shield tanks, I have five of them at 50, and the /Ice one is pretty good.

Here is a Shield/Ice build I came up with...

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(5), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Rchg+(7)
Level 1: Frozen Fists -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(19), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(29), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(31)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(3), LkGmblr-Def(3), LkGmblr-Rchg+(5)
Level 4: Ice Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 8: True Grit -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Numna-Heal/Rchg(9), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal(17), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(19)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(11), HO:Membr(11)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), Zephyr-ResKB(15)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(33), Heal-I(33)
Level 18: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(21), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(27), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(27), P'Shift-End%(29)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(23), Zephyr-ResKB(23), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(25), GftotA-Def(25)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 28: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(33), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(34), GSFC-Build%(36)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(48), ImpArm-EndRdx/Rchg(48), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ImpArm-ResDam(50)
Level 32: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(40), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40), LkGmblr-Rchg+(42)
Level 35: Greater Ice Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 38: Frozen Aura -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(42), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), CSndmn-Heal%(43)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), P'Shift-End%(45), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(46), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(50), Mrcl-Heal(50)
Level 47: Ice Patch -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet

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I've read your alls advice, and came up with this build. Thanks for the comments BTW.

First and formost, I'm keeping the swords. Yes, they may not be that awsome, but they are part of the core concept of the guy. He, and his Fire/Sheilds scrapper counter part use elemental weapons, fire/ice shields and swords.

But I did work in both Frost, and Ice Slick. And have, essentually, found my way back to the softcap. This build gives me 45.6% to M/R/A and 38.5% res to S/L. And both while sporting over 2700 HP. That, ontop of good to great damage for a tank. Only think i had to give up was a travel power. But, thanks to NR, I don't think that'll be all to painful.


Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
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Level 50 Mutation Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Deflection S'dpty-EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(3), S'dpty-Def(11), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(13), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(46)
Level 1: Frozen Fists P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(3), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 2: Ice Sword KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), Acc-I(25)
Level 4: Battle Agility S'dpty-Def/Rchg(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(5), S'dpty-EndRdx(9), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), S'dpty-Def(15)
Level 6: Active Defense RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 8: Against All Odds EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Swift Run-I(A)
Level 12: True Grit S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Heal-I(40), Heal-I(42)
Level 14: Phalanx Fighting Ksmt-ToHit+(A)
Level 16: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(37)
Level 18: Frost Det'tn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(19), TmpRdns-Acc/EndRdx(19), HO:Centri(23), HO:Centri(23), HO:Centri(25)
Level 20: Stamina EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-End%(21)
Level 22: Ice Patch RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 24: Build Up AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(45), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 26: Shield Charge Erad-Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(29), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(29), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(31)
Level 28: Freezing Touch KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(31), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), Acc-I(34)
Level 30: Grant Cover S'dpty-Def/Rchg(A), S'dpty-EndRdx(42), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(43), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), S'dpty-Def(43)
Level 32: One with the Shield RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(34), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(34)
Level 35: Greater Ice Sword KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Frozen Aura Erad-Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(39), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Kick Acc-I(A)
Level 44: Tough RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(45), RctvArm-ResDam(46), RctvArm-EndRdx(50), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 47: Weave S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(48), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), S'dpty-Def(48), S'dpty-EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Taunt Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet



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