Werner!
Seriously, he's the /regen expert, so bumping this so he will see it.
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Originally Posted by GibsonMcCoy
Werner!
Seriously, he's the /regen expert, so bumping this so he will see it. |
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I am deeply and unabashedly insulted.
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Originally Posted by GibsonMcCoy
Seriously, he's the /regen expert, so bumping this so he will see it.
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Eep. Sorry Umbral. Long week. ~hides in a corner~|
Originally Posted by Umbral
I am deeply and unabashedly insulted.
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So Umbral and Werner are the /reg experts.
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ok so enlighten me Umbral and Werner!!! |
Originally Posted by GibsonMcCoy
Eep. Sorry Umbral. Long week. ~hides in a corner~
So Umbral and Werner are the /reg experts. |
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Well, first things, what's your budget look like? I doubt you'd get much use out of me posting a limitless budget build filled with purple sets if you've only got 200 million to your name. Next, do you plan on attempting to farm with the character at all? AoEs are only useful as set mules in AV specialist builds, but you'd want to include them if you plan on doing anything except taking on single big targets.|
Originally Posted by JimmyAISB
ok so enlighten me Umbral and Werner!!!
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In general, the single most important set bonus that you can have is recharge. Recharge simultaneously helps you attain higher survivability (by letting you use your 4 click powers all the more often) and greater damage capabilities (by letting you use your better attacks faster). After you manage a good deal of recharge (140% global +rech at a minimum), you'll want to start working on cranking out as much defense as you possibly can. +Regen and +hp are substantially less than optimal for a couple of reasons. You're already packing more than 100 hp/sec in damage recovery (including your click powers, obviously). Getting another .67 hp/sec from a set bonus isn't going to do much of anything. For +hp, you've got Dull Pain. With the +hp accolades, you only need a single +hp set bonus in order to reach the hard cap. With just SOs, DP is already packing a 65% uptime. Even if you delay its use to capitalize on the heal, it's highly likely that you'd be getting no benefit from all but the first +hp set bonus more than half of the time. With a decent bit of recharge, you can have Dull Pain recharging fast enough that you can hold off using it for 10-15 seconds and still have it be permanent.
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I would go with a reasonably large budget as I am willing to spend alot of time working towards it. I will not be farming with this toon as I have other toons for that. So I really want to focus on an AV specialist build.
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Originally Posted by Umbral
Well, first things, what's your budget look like? I doubt you'd get much use out of me posting a limitless budget build filled with purple sets if you've only got 200 million to your name. Next, do you plan on attempting to farm with the character at all? AoEs are only useful as set mules in AV specialist builds, but you'd want to include them if you plan on doing anything except taking on single big targets.
In general, the single most important set bonus that you can have is recharge. Recharge simultaneously helps you attain higher survivability (by letting you use your 4 click powers all the more often) and greater damage capabilities (by letting you use your better attacks faster). After you manage a good deal of recharge (140% global +rech at a minimum), you'll want to start working on cranking out as much defense as you possibly can. +Regen and +hp are substantially less than optimal for a couple of reasons. You're already packing more than 100 hp/sec in damage recovery (including your click powers, obviously). Getting another .67 hp/sec from a set bonus isn't going to do much of anything. For +hp, you've got Dull Pain. With the +hp accolades, you only need a single +hp set bonus in order to reach the hard cap. With just SOs, DP is already packing a 65% uptime. Even if you delay its use to capitalize on the heal, it's highly likely that you'd be getting no benefit from all but the first +hp set bonus more than half of the time. With a decent bit of recharge, you can have Dull Pain recharging fast enough that you can hold off using it for 10-15 seconds and still have it be permanent. |
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How large is "reasonably large?" I've met some people that think that 200 mill is "reasonably large" when that's just large enough to look into IO'ing out a toon honestly.
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Originally Posted by JimmyAISB
I would go with a reasonably large budget as I am willing to spend alot of time working towards it. I will not be farming with this toon as I have other toons for that. So I really want to focus on an AV specialist build.
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Umbral has you covered on Claws/Regen. For Katana/Dark, my guess is that you'll get the best survivability out of soft-capping defense. That's the route I took. In my case, I'm neither a DPS nor AoE specialist, and built almost purely for survival and general play. I calculated 162 DPS, but am seeing 177 DPS vs. pylons, and I should probably believe in-game experience over my spreadsheet. 177 DPS is nothing special, pretty much on the low side for AV specialists. For an AV specialist, you'd drop The Lotus Drops and Sting of the Wasp and pick up Soaring Dragon and Golden Dragonfly. You might also try to get another 4% melee defense so that you don't need Divine Avalanche double-stacked so you don't spend so much time on a low DPS attack. Anyway, here's my build, which might be a good starting point. I'm still buying the last few IOs for it, so I haven't started seeing what it can do, but I have high hopes.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Hmmm...
An AV soloing Claws/Regen
Would love to see more of those ... 
Another good jumping off point for an AV specialist Katana/Dark is the build that Iggy just posted in the "What happend to the Darkee's" thread. It sacrifices a little AoE defense to soft cap melee with one hit of Divine Avalanche and picks up quite a bit of global recharge. It has no stun/fear aura, but you're going up against AVs, who are immune. Only problem would be that the minions you use for Dark Regeneration fuel wouldn't be stunned/feared. So maybe forgo minions altogether, and revamp the Dark Regeneration slotting for high recharge and high healing, and just spam heal off of the AV as necessary. Might be a good approach.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Getting to 140% recharge involves LotG +recharge, which last time I checked are goin for 200 mil a pop.
Good luck with that.
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Which is probably why Umbral asked what a "reasonably large" budget meant. For some people, Luck of the Gamblers are pocket change. For others, one is their entire budget or more. I'm somewhere in the middle.|
Originally Posted by JamMasterJMS
Getting to 140% recharge involves LotG +recharge, which last time I checked are goin for 200 mil a pop.
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And 200 million is probably the "buy it nao!" price for the crafted level 50 IOs. With patience, you can go downlevel slightly with only a tiny effect on performance, lowball recipes across a level range, and wait. I'm again somewhere in the middle, bidding on level 50 recipes and being willing to wait a week or two. Crafting costs included, I probably got mine for about an average of 90 million each. That's still not cheap in my world, but a 440 million savings across four of them for my build was worth the wait to me.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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I was able to buy a few when it was 60, and I thought that was frickin expensive...
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I got all of mine by buying them with reward merits. The only IOs I even bother buying outright are PvP and Purple IOs. Personally, I've found this to be much cheaper, but I do a lot of teaming across a large number of characters. By the time a new toon hits 50, they've generally got at 400-600 merits (which translates into a lot of reward rolls).
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Originally Posted by Werner
And 200 million is probably the "buy it nao!" price for the crafted level 50 IOs. With patience, you can go downlevel slightly with only a tiny effect on performance, lowball recipes across a level range, and wait. I'm again somewhere in the middle, bidding on level 50 recipes and being willing to wait a week or two. Crafting costs included, I probably got mine for about an average of 90 million each. That's still not cheap in my world, but a 440 million savings across four of them for my build was worth the wait to me.
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I probably have enough merit rewards to buy a couple of items of common salvage. 
I almost never team, and I rarely even run arcs because I hate being "locked in" to playing something all the way through. Wait, I did run all the RWZ arcs on Alexei because I wanted the sword and the extra salvage carrying capacity, so.... 152 merits! I'm rich! I didn't even know! What wonderful things can I buy with that? Oh? Really? Oh.
But yeah, I've heard that for most people, buying Luck of the Gamblers with merits is a very good idea. (And by extension, buying them with merits and selling them on the market would also be a good idea, but this isn't the market forum.)
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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You could buy 7 random rare recipe rolls, which gives you a chance to get some LotGs, Numina procs, and a number of other quite nice and useful IOs.|
Originally Posted by Werner
I almost never team, and I rarely even run arcs because I hate being "locked in" to playing something all the way through. Wait, I did run all the RWZ arcs on Alexei because I wanted the sword and the extra salvage carrying capacity, so.... 152 merits! I'm rich! I didn't even know! What wonderful things can I buy with that? Oh? Really? Oh.
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The last two merit rolls I've gotten numina's unique, and that's from a risky 30-34 roll. (Supplying the mid-range market, donchyano.) DO EEEEET!
(This message perhaps brought to you by the letter X, Yuengling, and some funky Ginseng vodka my in-laws made me.)
Thanks for all the great advice guys! I think I'll be working on my Katana/dark cause he was my first 50 and i would love to solo an AV with him cause i like being different I'll take a look at the build in that other thread and the one you posted Werner. Thanks again guys! (these forums rawk!!!)
That build in the "What happened to all the darkies?" thread is for BS/DA would i just plug katana in there instead?
also looking over the build now and i wouldnt mind that build without travel powers (thanks to the new booster pack), are they just really being used for IO mules?
Quick question for Umbral and Werner that I think fits this thread well (my main is a claws/regen). How about slotting for max health? I have several different set bonuses for that on him.
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Not worth it on a standard recharge build. Dull Pain and the accolades will have you almost to the hit point cap, beyond which +hp bonuses are largely wasted. They're still useful when Dull Pain is down, but you may find that to be an uncommon occurrence and not worth any build compromises.
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Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
Quick question for Umbral and Werner that I think fits this thread well (my main is a claws/regen). How about slotting for max health? I have several different set bonuses for that on him.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Well, kinda. Although the attacks pretty much swap one for one, the best attack chains do not. So you may not end up with exactly what you need by just doing a direct swap. It'll make a good reference, but likely won't be exact. And I'm too lazy right now to look up/work out the best attack chain for single-stacked Divine Avalanche and the required recharge for each attack. Perhaps someone else will pop up with that information.|
Originally Posted by JimmyAISB
That build in the "What happened to all the darkies?" thread is for BS/DA would i just plug katana in there instead?
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But all of this came together for the most part before Ninja Run. I'm still happy with my choice, but I would look MUCH more carefully at travel-powerless if I were starting over today.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Mmmm. I have a Claws/SR scrapper and a Night Widow without travel powers and Ninja Run is just awesome. Pick up a jetpack for the times when you really need to fly and run about like crazy otherwise! No travel power is far more viable than it ever was a year ago.
Here's my thread about a BS/DA softcapped build on a budget.
It gives up a couple things (accuracy and recharge to name a couple) but it completed the RWZ Challenge on the first try with ease. Haven't started soloing AVs yet, but it should do pretty well against anyone that doesn't have significant lethal resistance or defense.
Here it is:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=189427
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I've been gone a while and feal a little lost. I want to update my lvl 50 Claws/Regen but i feal like i have no idea how to build him. I want to do alot of solo stuff (like maybe solo AVs). Thanks for the help!
(Also could use alot of help with my Katana/DA as i also have no clue how to build him.)