Best solo scrapper builds?


Achilles6

 

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I've just begun playing CoX again and am starting completely from scratch. It has been quite awhile since I last played and with the new power sets available for scrappers I am unsure of where to begin. I was thinking of FM as my primary but not sure on the secondary. Any input on a great starter build would be great.

Feel free to suggest other archetypes if you feel they would serve better as a first character.


 

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For a starter secondary to go with Fire Melee, I'd probably stay away from Regeneration (too clicky), Super Reflexes (too late blooming) and Dark Armor (too unusual). Wait, I just listed all my main scrappers. Hmmm. Anyway, Willpower might be a good choice - it's fire and forget easy, and once you hit 20, your endurance problems are over. Fiery Aura is of course a good match conceptually, but I'm not a fan of resistance secondaries. Same goes for Electric Armor. Shield Defense probably gives you your best top end power when IO'd to the gills, but may only be so-so while leveling. Still, it would probably be my next suggestion if you don't want to go with Willpower. Finally, Invulnerability would be a solid choice.

If you're open to other primaries, a number of us commonly suggest Katana/Willpower as the best starter scrapper. Katana gives you significant melee and lethal defense, which gives you a lot more survivability, and as mentioned earlier, Willpower is easy. Also, if you want to go nuts with it later, Katana/Willpower gives up nothing on top end power, so you won't be sitting there regretting not going with something harder to level but more rewarding for the end game.

Just to comment a little further, when I saw the thread title, my immediate thought was "All of them." All scrappers solo well. They have different strengths and weaknesses, but they all solo well. The primaries and secondaries are very well balanced, and there simply aren't any bad combinations, nor any combinations that are clearly superior (at least in PvE). You'll find a vast variety of scrappers being played, even among the min-max powergaming crowd.


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Yeah, some are better in PvP, some are better for taking on bosses, some are better for AoE. But just about any scrapper can not only solo well but by mid 20's to 30's should be able to crank up the difficulty and still solo really well.



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Which builds tend to function better as far as AoE is concerned?


 

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Spines, Fire and Electic are probably on top, probably Claws then Dual Blades next depending on how they're built. Katana is almost passable, and Broad Sword, Martial Arts and Dark Melee probably bring up the rear. Secondaries with a damage buff (Shield Defense) or a damage aura (Dark, Fire, Electric) are probably on top.

Some top farming builds would be Spines/Dark, Spines/Fire, Electric/Shield and Fire/Shield. Fire/Shield is also extremely good at single-target damage, and even makes a great archvillain killer (with enough influence spent).


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I am definitely thinking of going with shield as my secondary now since it is entirely brand new to me at this point and is certainly intriguing. Do you have or know of any good electric/shield or fire/shield builds, Werner?


 

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Well, I didn't save any, but it's been routinely discussed, so there are bound to be some good ones in old threads. However, most of what you'll likely find are probably level 50 respec builds for specific purposes - farming, AV soloing, what have you. You probably won't find much for leveling up.

That said, there are plenty of people who probably have one or can throw one together for you quickly.

I'd recommend Fire/Shield over Electric/Shield, mainly because my impression is that it is more flexible, allowing you to better put off deciding exactly where you want to go with it, and giving you more options when you do decide. But I haven't played either, and haven't looked much at Electricity yet, so I could be off base.


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Okay, I will cruise through the forums a little deeper. I couldn't really find anything other than AV builds. Thanks for the help, Werner.


 

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Hehe, Captain Crisp is no running the streets on infinity; went with fire/sd. We'll see how I do


 

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In the absence of an actual build or experience with the primary, let me at least give you some very general advice:

Focus on getting and slotting up your attacks before your defenses. In the early game (up to 20 or so?), the best defense is a good offense. Then it slowly transitions through the rest of the game to the best defense actually being a good defense. Well, if you slowly crank up the difficulty, anyway.

Talk to the detective in King's Row and run radio missions as soon as possible (level 5-6?). After running a few missions, you'll get a safeguard mission. Defeat the main boss in the bank on the mission, and you'll get a temporary travel power (flight, 2 hours of in-game use). Do the same thing in Steel Canyon, and you'll get another temporary travel power, this time jumping. It's faster than flight, so worth getting as well. These CAN allow you to skip a real travel power for some time if you wish, though real travel powers are faster. I typically pick up a real travel power in the 30s or so these days because the temp travel powers are good enough for me. Another option is to purchase the martial arts pack and use Ninja Running or whatever it's called. It's quite fast and has just enough of a jump to not be annoying when the map isn't flat. If you just want a real travel power as soon as possible, plan ahead, because all of the real travel powers have a prerequisite power in the power pool.

I'd pick up Stamina at 20. That has TWO prerequisite powers in the power pool, so again, plan ahead.

The teens will likely suck. They do for me on most scrappers. You're going to die a lot, and you'll be running out of endurance, and you'll be questioning what you did. Hang in there. It gets better, and then a LOT better.

Don't slot Rest, even if it is tempting for a while. Eventually, you won't even use it because you'll recover health and endurance too quickly to bother.

Don't slot Brawl. You have much better attacks. Use it as filler if you want, though, until you get some attacks from your primary.

Do slot at least one endurance reducer in each attack. They burn a LOT more endurance than your toggles do. Do slot accuracy in your attacks. Accuracy and endurance enhancement are the generally the priority before damage enhancement at low levels.

I'm not sure if this is something anyone but me enjoys, but I typically want to make costume tweaks very early in the game. The lowest level zone with an Icon is Steel Canyon, and it's on the opposite side of the zone. You have to weave your way through bad guys that can pretty much one shot you. Still, you CAN do it. They're never so close together that you can't slip through them and make it. Besides, the hospital is halfway there, and at a low level, you can't get any debt. I think of "The Steel Canyon Icon Run" as a right of passage for my new characters. I've never heard of anyone else with the same idea, though, so it's probably just me.


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I'm not sure if this is something anyone but me enjoys, but I typically want to make costume tweaks very early in the game. The lowest level zone with an Icon is Steel Canyon, and it's on the opposite side of the zone. You have to weave your way through bad guys that can pretty much one shot you. Still, you CAN do it. They're never so close together that you can't slip through them and make it. Besides, the hospital is halfway there, and at a low level, you can't get any debt. I think of "The Steel Canyon Icon Run" as a right of passage for my new characters. I've never heard of anyone else with the same idea, though, so it's probably just me.
No, I used to do the same thing before i13 or i14, or whatever issue it was, put Trina in the Pocket D VIP room; now I just teleport through there and use up a free token or two after I'm done in Atlas and on my way to do radios in KR.

So far as I can tell, not doing the canyon run hasn't made me soft... yet.

BTW great startup advice for a new scrapper, Werner.


 

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In the absence of an actual build or experience with the primary, let me at least give you some very general advice:

Focus on getting and slotting up your attacks before your defenses. In the early game (up to 20 or so?), the best defense is a good offense. Then it slowly transitions through the rest of the game to the best defense actually being a good defense. Well, if you slowly crank up the difficulty, anyway.

Talk to the detective in King's Row and run radio missions as soon as possible (level 5-6?). After running a few missions, you'll get a safeguard mission. Defeat the main boss in the bank on the mission, and you'll get a temporary travel power (flight, 2 hours of in-game use). Do the same thing in Steel Canyon, and you'll get another temporary travel power, this time jumping. It's faster than flight, so worth getting as well. These CAN allow you to skip a real travel power for some time if you wish, though real travel powers are faster. I typically pick up a real travel power in the 30s or so these days because the temp travel powers are good enough for me. Another option is to purchase the martial arts pack and use Ninja Running or whatever it's called. It's quite fast and has just enough of a jump to not be annoying when the map isn't flat. If you just want a real travel power as soon as possible, plan ahead, because all of the real travel powers have a prerequisite power in the power pool.

I'd pick up Stamina at 20. That has TWO prerequisite powers in the power pool, so again, plan ahead.

The teens will likely suck. They do for me on most scrappers. You're going to die a lot, and you'll be running out of endurance, and you'll be questioning what you did. Hang in there. It gets better, and then a LOT better.

Don't slot Rest, even if it is tempting for a while. Eventually, you won't even use it because you'll recover health and endurance too quickly to bother.

Don't slot Brawl. You have much better attacks. Use it as filler if you want, though, until you get some attacks from your primary.

Do slot at least one endurance reducer in each attack. They burn a LOT more endurance than your toggles do. Do slot accuracy in your attacks. Accuracy and endurance enhancement are the generally the priority before damage enhancement at low levels.

I'm not sure if this is something anyone but me enjoys, but I typically want to make costume tweaks very early in the game. The lowest level zone with an Icon is Steel Canyon, and it's on the opposite side of the zone. You have to weave your way through bad guys that can pretty much one shot you. Still, you CAN do it. They're never so close together that you can't slip through them and make it. Besides, the hospital is halfway there, and at a low level, you can't get any debt. I think of "The Steel Canyon Icon Run" as a right of passage for my new characters. I've never heard of anyone else with the same idea, though, so it's probably just me.
Actually, both travel powers are in KR. first one detective then the next one. 5 - 10 is flight 10 - 12ish is super jump.


 

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Ahh, thanks for the pointers. If anyone has any more specific information on a leveling build for fire/shield, I would greatly appreciate it. All I could really find were end-game farming or AV builds.


 

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Hehe, Captain Crisp is no running the streets on infinity; went with fire/sd. We'll see how I do
Good choice. I have a 49 FM/SR and a 30 Ele/Shield and wish I had made a FM/Shield instead of either of those at this point. I may be happier with my Ele/Shield once I get LR and SC kicking, though. FM/Shield has excellent ST damage for AV soloing as well as excellent AoE to farm.

The only downside to /Shields is that it's pretty expensive to softcap all three positional defenses. If holding a shield, even the fiery looking one, fit my Fire/SR concept I'd reroll despite this.

As far as leveling, I'd go this route for FM/Shield with frankenslotting IOs around level 22 and a respec due around level 40:

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Level 37 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting

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Level 1: Scorch -- B'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), B'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(5), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(5), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(15), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 1: Deflection -- Krma-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(25), S'dpty-Def(25)
Level 2: Cremate -- B'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), B'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(3), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(3), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(7), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- Krma-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(31), S'dpty-Def(34)
Level 6: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 8: Breath of Fire -- AirB'st-Acc/Dmg(A), AirB'st-Dmg/Rchg(9), AirB'st-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Det'tn-Dmg/Rchg(11), Det'tn-Dmg/EndRdx(11)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Run-I(A)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(19), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(19), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21)
Level 20: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 22: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(23), EndMod-I(23)
Level 24: True Grit -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(34), Heal-I(37)
Level 26: Incinerate -- B'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), B'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(29)
Level 28: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(31), ResDam-I(31)
Level 32: Greater Fire Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(37), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 41: [Empty]
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit



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The Steadfast Protection unique is something that you'll want to pick up asap and is the only unique I put in the leveling build - it's +3% defense to all as well as boosting resistance. I would have slotted it in Deflection much earlier, but I figure if you're starting over in the game, you may need time to gather influence for non expensive IOs, let alone a unique. This is also why I didn't include any other uniques in the build that are generally seen in the builds you'll find on the forums.

This build is designed to kill quickly - it's centered around dealing as much damage as possible VERY quickly. enhancement focuses more on recharge than endurance, because everything you're attack should be dead before endurance becomes a concern. Accuracy is 91-100% vs. +1 mobs, which die very quickly with a Breath of Fire + FSC combo, and the other St attacks will be able to finish off Lt.s and Bosses quickly.

Essentially, I've found that any Defense-based secondary levels much more easily and quickly if you build and fight like a Blapper (Blaster build around mainly melee attacks like a Scrapper) until you can get your Defense into the 30% range. Since it takes a good while for your defense to mature enough to help you significantly, I focus on burst damage and resistance mitigation in the form of True Grit and Tough. Normally, taking AAO to boost damage would fit into this concept, but it's another toggle to suck up endurance and the taunt aura often brought me too much attention too quickly on my Ele/Shield which got me killed often prior to taking Tough.

Obviously, this is just a suggestion and you should feel free to adjust or throw out anything that you feel differently on. YMMV.

Happy Scrappin'!


 

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I'm working on a Fire/Shield myself, currently at 37, and all of the above advice is very sound. One thing I find helps is to always have a few purple inspirations on hand, whether by purchasing them from contacts or combining other inspirations. With the defense you already have from your secondary, it only takes 1-2 small purples to cap your defense, at which point you become very very hard to kill. I'm soloing on +2/x4 without trouble, thanks to using purple inspirations when I can't just blow the group away with Shield Charge.


 

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Originally Posted by Werner View Post
I'm not sure if this is something anyone but me enjoys, but I typically want to make costume tweaks very early in the game. The lowest level zone with an Icon is Steel Canyon, and it's on the opposite side of the zone. You have to weave your way through bad guys that can pretty much one shot you. Still, you CAN do it. They're never so close together that you can't slip through them and make it. Besides, the hospital is halfway there, and at a low level, you can't get any debt. I think of "The Steel Canyon Icon Run" as a right of passage for my new characters. I've never heard of anyone else with the same idea, though, so it's probably just me.
Actually, the Icon in Independence Port is quicker and safer for lowbies. It's essentially right outside the Kings Row entrance.


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Originally Posted by Achilles6 View Post
Actually, the Icon in Independence Port is quicker and safer for lowbies. It's essentially right outside the Kings Row entrance.
Rikti War Zone. You can get there right from Atlas Park, and it's accessible at level 1.


 

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Rikti War Zone. You can get there right from Atlas Park, and it's accessible at level 1.
Yeah, I thought about that after I wrote that. Lowbies these days. Don't know how easy they have it.

I'm going to keep making the Steel Canyon run, though.


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just thought that i would pipe in and say that either of the swords works very well with SD.the melee defense in parry stacks nicely with the melee positional defense in shield,and can make for a very smooth leveling experience.the set also has very solid aoe

as an added bonus their are lots of fun sword and shield costume combo options.

dark melee can also be a very smooth leveler with SD,though much weaker in aoe.the heal is mighty sweet,and covers for SD's only real drawback as a set.while SD helps a lot to take the edge off of DM's lack of aoe,it still feels like it lags behind other SD sets quite a bit.i would have to say that it can be one of the most survivable SD combo's of them all.


 

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Originally Posted by Werner View Post

Just to comment a little further, when I saw the thread title, my immediate thought was "All of them." All scrappers solo well. They have different strengths and weaknesses, but they all solo well. The primaries and secondaries are very well balanced, and there simply aren't any bad combinations, nor any combinations that are clearly superior (at least in PvE). You'll find a vast variety of scrappers being played, even among the min-max powergaming crowd.
Yup, same thought came to my mind, "Any of them."
But if i had to choose one, maybe Willpower is easiest to begin with.


 

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just thought that i would pipe in and say that either of the swords works very well with SD.the melee defense in parry stacks nicely with the melee positional defense in shield,and can make for a very smooth leveling experience.the set also has very solid aoe
I WISH Katana worked with Shield Defense. It would be capable of some massive DPS and pretty decent AoE. Broad Sword is a little behind in both categories. Still, Broad Sword/Shield Defense WAS perhaps the most fun I've had leveling from 1-50 so far. Really good leveling combination.


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Originally Posted by Nemo_Utopian View Post
just thought that i would pipe in and say that either of the swords works very well with SD.the melee defense in parry stacks nicely with the melee positional defense in shield,and can make for a very smooth leveling experience.the set also has very solid aoe

as an added bonus their are lots of fun sword and shield costume combo options.
Katana can't be paired with shield defense.


 

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I WISH Katana worked with Shield Defense. It would be capable of some massive DPS and pretty decent AoE. Broad Sword is a little behind in both categories. Still, Broad Sword/Shield Defense WAS perhaps the most fun I've had leveling from 1-50 so far. Really good leveling combination.
When that time comes if ever, my Kat/Regen which carries my forum name will be re-rolled and Patrick Fury will learn to use a shield...


So a Katana/Shielder is what you want is it?
Punch this in on your handydandy calculator Werner if you could please.

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And I am not after how much this will cost either...


Edit:
Swap this out to BS with Hack in place of GC, Dam/Rech Heca replacing the Dam Heca and Damage Arma replacing the Dam/Rech Arma on HS and you get yourself a DPS BS/Shielder...


 

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Katana can't be paired with shield defense.
how embarrassing.

i made a BS/SD myself,and never noticed katana was on the forbidden list.