Just did.
You were addressing me.
Go ahead. Click it. Read it. Read my name "AlienOne" in your own post, read the following statement
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Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2
I simply do not know why you engage in topics of this nature as you don't care about performance beyond being able to do basic level content, which requires aboslutely no build advice at all.
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If you can't admit to your own friggin' recorded words....lol...I guess this debate IS over.
"Alien"
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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I actually had to find it and your half right, I was replying to you with alot of it, but when i got on my funzies roll that was towards LX. My bad for trying to talk to two people at once without realizing it. Allow me to try to break it down so it makes more sense.
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.
This was for Alien:
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Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2
I do not actually believe there is only one way to play, but saying there is not one best way is as false as saying that all travel powers are equal.
I don't care how anyone plays I don't care what travel power anyone takes. I DO care when people make claims that are FALSE such as there is no best most efficient way to play or all travel powers are equal. You can mince words and say fly is more useful or SJ can be more useful because of vertical movement, but if your talking TRAVEL Teleport is the fastest followed by SS then SJ then Fly, and no matter what fun factor or "what i'm most comfortable using" factor will change the fact some are better baseline powers for TRAVEL than others. The same is true on builds and play styles. A little bit better is still better, a couple seconds faster per mob is still better, and I'm just mainly annoyed at having to say things that are so patently common knowledge but marginalized for certain personal preferances. |
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Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2
And while i'm fairly fermented on this...
People who come to the forums asking build advice are NOT asking for fun factor builds, anyone can make a fun factor build that will be able to do the content on the lowest setting. I would honestly have to work to build something that couldnt do the content on that level. They do not need your advice or mine to do that. People are perfectly capable of reaching mediocrity without your help or mine. I believe the ones who come here for build advice want to know how to build well for effect, to succed in more than the lowest setting level, not to find out what funzies ideas you have come up with lately. AlienOne as much as I hate to admit it has a nitch here because building for human form requires a good bit of knowledge to build to great effect. I simply do not know why you engage in topics of this nature as you don't care about performance beyond being able to do basic level content, which requires aboslutely no build advice at all. |
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.
That puts things in a little more context... Although, quite a few questions earlier on in my post could still stand to be answered. 
"Alien"
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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76 characters and Twenty-four 50s later, I still love this game.
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Ok, I'll try...
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The quote means anyone with a good finger and half a brain can come up with a build (and play it) for any AT, that can do normal lowest setting content. It simply requires no build advice at all.|
Originally Posted by AlienOne
So... If you've never implied that not giving "the most uber ultimate 'most optimal' build" means you'll have to be doing content "on the normal lowest setting," then what does the bolded section mean?
Seriously, what does that mean? That if a "final, most uber awesome ultimate optimal build" is finally somehow created (most likely by your 'genious mathematical skillz'), then all anyone has to do for any future advice for ANY build is to just link to what you've put together in Mid's, and have proved 'beyond the shadow of a doubt' is "the perfect build?" Screw giving advice. ANYONE should be able to do "normal content," right? |
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I have one question though: Why do people still come for Kheld advice then?
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Most people I've seen coming for Kheld advice (whichever form it may be) aren't wanting to build an "AV soloer" or a "+4x8 soloer."
They're just wanting advice on what the community thinks about different builds, why they would/wouldn't take certain powers, or (to quote Justaris) find a build that's "viable." |
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Originally Posted by AlienOne
So, if "by most people's definitions" (or the definition you just laid out in your own quote--you said it, I didn't) 'not sucking' is doing stuff on basic level content, by that standard alone, that proves human-forming Khelds are damn awesome.
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But... If a human former (by that definition) is that good, then...
Why say giving human-form advice is "pointing out a mediocre ways to play?" (your own quote provided below for your own lack of search/remembrance skills) |
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While we're talking about that, why don't we discuss this next point?
You're suggesting here that people who "build how they like" don't care about performance? Please explain. |
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Let's take the OP for example. He asked for a "best performance" human-only build.
Your response to anyone giving a build in this regard (because of your already stated hatred for human-forming) is that it is "mediocre" or "can only handle basic level content"....Correct? |
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No? Then why make a statement like is, as if the Kheldian community DIDN'T have "good performance" in mind when giving a build, whether it's human-only or not?
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Here we are ultra cautious to make sure nobody ever does anything "wrong", their just excercising their ability to make alternative (in alot of cases REALLY bad) play styles and builds. Here nothing is better than anything else, nothing is bad or wrong it's just choices without any relavance at all to success in the game. It's tolerated because we as a whole are content to never be as good as all the other AT's, as a nitch funzies concept toon AT.
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So, by them coming to ask for advice, then we are suggesting they can do content at a HIGHER level on our builds, correct?
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Hopefully this clarifys my views a bit better.
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.
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There are enough threads around that have started with "What am I doing wrong here?" and have evolved to discussing build options. Not everyone comes here looking for a facemelting build, and if they are, you may be surprised but I can provide that too. It really doesn't take a genius to load Mids and slap together some bonus sets.
Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2
I believe the ones who come here for build advice want to know how to build well for effect, to succeed in more than the lowest setting level, not to find out what funzies ideas you have come up with lately.
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Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2
AlienOne as much as I hate to admit it has a niche here because building for human form requires a good bit of knowledge to build to great effect.
I don't care about soloing MMO's, and I don't care for slapping together a build in Mids and then engaging in in-game activity that bores me just so I could have the sets to slot in my build so I could solo an MMO, especially on a class nudged towards teaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2
I simply do not know why you engage in topics of this nature as you don't care about performance beyond being able to do basic level content, which requires aboslutely no build advice at all.
Allow me to refresh your memory, because this derailment started when someone quoted an axiom which I then supported and PrincessDarkstar and you bashed. It is your objection to that axiom and my appreciation of it that ushered this derailment. I never said a thing about performance in this thread and never will.
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
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#1 I rarely solo these days and have never really been into it.|
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I don't care about soloing MMO's, and I don't care for slapping together a build in Mids and then engaging in in-game activity that bores me just so I could have the sets to slot in my build so I could solo an MMO, especially on a class nudged towards teaming. |
#2 You would have a harder time avoiding getting sets than getting them by just *gasp* playing how you normaly do. I have Io'ed out at least 12 characters by just playing exactly how I did before IO's came out. I don't even use the market to make (most) of my money.
#3 "Most" people don't need sets to solo in this MMO even on a Kheldian.
#4 I'm happy your happy. Wait, no I actually don't think about you that much to care. But hey anything to drag the conversation away from that annoying stats talk and back onto feelings, you know like happy and fun?
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.
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Wait, no I actually don't think about you that much to care. But hey anything to drag the conversation away from that annoying stats talk and back onto feelings, you know like happy and fun?
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Do you honestly think personal statements like that aren't as derailing to topics as a comment about bunnies or a rick'roll?
lmao.
"Alien"
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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76 characters and Twenty-four 50s later, I still love this game.
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More like trying to use Stygian Circle with no corpses lying around to fuel it ... (ie. wasted effort).
It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...
Were already so far off topic, and it took so little time I was willing to put in the effort.
Neither are new to this thread or the kheldian forums.
And I was feeling snarky.
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.
Actually, the topic was (and still is) Human Form Warshade viability.
The only times I've veered off topic was to ask whether or not you were taking personal shots rather than actually posting some information.
"Alien"
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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76 characters and Twenty-four 50s later, I still love this game.
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I agree.
I was stating several posts had already gone off topic.
Had you been the one who had I might have specified.
In anycase, back to the show.
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.
Read the edit, then come back, most of what you have selected (almost if not all of it) wasn't even to you (again).
Read it in context. Then we can debate.
If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.