The New Star Trek, the good, the bad, the Zachary Quinto.
Well it is a reboot, maybe they had gotten more information on the Romulans from the Vulcans so recogized their faces by broadcast.
Also, keep in mind that Nero made contact with the Kelvin that gave them a starting point to ask who is this? They show the Vulcans and it gets identified as a Romulan. Simple enough explantion.
And yes, the engine room in the Enterprise was very industrial looking and had extremely open ceilings for a place you would think open, wasted space would be at a minimum.
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I have Actually studied that part of the film, and they jump to knowing its a Romulan and that Nero is Romulan with out any introduction dialog of any kind.|
Originally Posted by Fedor
Also, keep in mind that Nero made contact with the Kelvin that gave them a starting point to ask who is this?
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it would have worked if Nero had said "I am Captain Nero of the Romulan Star Empire" but he didn't.
and yes Its a reboot from the moment the Kelvin comes in contact... However the time line up to this point should be the same...
unless they want to take "ST:Enterpise" and the "Time War" Changes as the starting point of this timeline.. which then I throw every thing out and give up on Star Trek forever. Which may happen with an Up Coming MMO
I never watched Enterprise and have never heard of time war before, not that much of a trekkie I guess.
Hmmm, maybe it was in the markings on the ship? Federation ships had the NCC-(number) marking. Maybe something on Nero's ship like a designation gave it away?
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The Narada doesn't look like other Romulan ships because it's a heavily modified mining ship. Go here for more info.
http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline/2387
This thread demonstrates why, from time to time, I like to extend the following rant:
Don't get hung up on what is, and what is not "canon" when it comes to sci-fi, fantasy and other episode-based fiction.
It almost always will, (and I mean just about always), let you down. You have to understand these are business vehicles - and staying 100% true to canon is both expensive and time-consuming, and some would say a creative restraint which can actually hurt the "art" as time goes by.
I know Star Trek fans in particular, believe the history and the details are just as important, but when it comes to mass consumption, mass production and artistic freedom, it simply isn't. This miffs the fan who is obsessive, but is reality.
I bring this up, only, because I believe it has relevance to RP. Don't wag your finger at those who you believe are not staying true to the canon of the game. They are, in fact, probably more synchronized with the process of developing content within the IP than you realize.
Having worked with Lucasfilm a little, let me tell you, "canon" is far, far less important to them than getting the logo the right color. 
In fact, abusing canon, is not only profitable, it is necessary. Even when you try to "clean up" canon like Crisis on Infinite Earths did, you only do it to make more money - and you pretty quickly stray from the new "cleaned up" version anyway.
Which means, in 15 years, someone will be ranting about how some new Star Trek cartoon violates the "canon" of the very movie you just downloaded from BitTorrent.
If anyone was planning on picking this up on Blu Ray and, like me, you like useless trinkets in "special edition" sets, Target is selling its own special version... Instead of just the discs in a box, they come in a plastic Enterprise replica, with the discs being housed in the saucer section. And it doesn't look bad either, it looks like a toy I'd pay 15 bucks for on its own.
Just, you know. In case you haven't bought it yet and liked plastic replicas.
Who knew Karl Urban could be funny? Awesome job there, imho.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
I have always thought Karl Urban was a very good actor, he just ended up in some BAD movies. (Pathfinder and Doom anyone?) But he really shined in Star Trek.
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Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
There's also the most glaring plot hole of all.. what happened to that time traveling/guarding star fleet we met on Voyager?
I think Nero coming back and completely changing history would be a rather glaring problem that they'd want to address.
In any case, I still found it to be an entertaining movie.
I am guessing that JJ Abrams, like almost everyone else, didn't watch Voyager. kate mulgrew is one of the most annoying actresses to ever live.
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Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
Watched it for the first time last night. I enjoyed it. A lot. Continuity be damned. Looking forward to any sequels.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Don't get hung up on what is, and what is not "canon" when it comes to sci-fi, fantasy and other episode-based fiction.
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As for Abrams he was smart to create an alternative timeline so he could have Artistic freedom, and my only issue really had an easy fix. which would have added to the story.
let me put this in a math term.
ever hear of the concept of proof? and have you ever wondered why you teachers want you to show your work?
there is an order to logical thinking. Abrams Missed a piece of logic and this sticks out, had he included a reference point it would be a better film not because a fan of a long dead and poorly written series would feel better. instead it would add a flow of logic which always helps in Sci-Fi since so much Sci-Fi has no logic what so ever.
There was one tiny bit that annoyed the hell out of me.
Kirk and Scotty beaming back on board the Enterprise.
Let me get this straight:
Enterprise jettisons Kirk. He gets out of pod. Travels 14 miles to outpost... walking. 3 mph is the average walking speed. 4-5 hours to get there.
The Enterprise has been traveling away from the Vulcan solar system at Warp whatever (faster than light) for 4 to 5 hours.
This implies that the transporter used can disintegrate/reintegrate particles instantaneously across any distance of spacetime with enough accuracy to drop a couple guys into a engineering bay.
If that was the case, why bother with spaceships? Ever?
EDIT: Not to also mention the fact that they're able to do so but unable to lock on to a body falling at a measly 56 m/s? Whut?
Be well, people of CoH.
We all Know Lucas Dosn't have a clue.
Really? I thought he redefined sci-fi/fantasy movies, on a scale that still has ripple effects today.
I thought he created a brand so large, he was able to acquire a large percentage of the world's biggest toy companies by merely negotiating merchandising rights.
I thought he helped create revolutionary leaps in technology and special effects.
I thought he was one of the most influential directors of the 20th century.
Who knew, that in all that time, he just didn't have a clue.
I thought the new Star Trek movie was really good. The visuals were really good and I thought the story was fine. I will probably buy the movie on Bluray this week.
Lucas had a clue in the 70's and 80's. His recent attempts to destroy what he created proves pretty much that he lost that clue around 1994ish.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
There was one tiny bit that annoyed the hell out of me.
Kirk and Scotty beaming back on board the Enterprise. Let me get this straight: Enterprise jettisons Kirk. He gets out of pod. Travels 14 miles to outpost... walking. 3 mph is the average walking speed. 4-5 hours to get there. The Enterprise has been traveling away from the Vulcan solar system at Warp whatever (faster than light) for 4 to 5 hours. This implies that the transporter used can disintegrate/reintegrate particles instantaneously across any distance of spacetime with enough accuracy to drop a couple guys into a engineering bay. If that was the case, why bother with spaceships? Ever? EDIT: Not to also mention the fact that they're able to do so but unable to lock on to a body falling at a measly 56 m/s? Whut? |
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OK, This reply is Ultra Nerdy.
I start with Star Trek:TOS – Assignment: Earththis was an Episode from the third season an was meant as a spin off series if the studios took the option. This Episode Has a Man from earth transporting Across the Stars Planet to Planet, the type of transporter is not revealed.
and now we look at the other long range options
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Quote Memory Alpha A subspace transporter is a transporter that uses subspace to transport an object. Unlike a normal transporter, which sends its signal through normal space and thus limited to a much shorter range, this transporter uses subspace. Compared to a normal Federation transporter, which had a range of about 40,000 kilometers, it has a range of several light years. A probe was once transported from a distance of approximately 300 billion kilometers this way. For comparison, a Galaxy-class starship would take twenty minutes at warp 9 to bridge this distance. A transport in progress would not be detected by sensors because of the use of subspace. Although transporting through subspace increased the effective transporter range and made it possible to beam through deflector shields, the technology behind it was unreliable and energy intensive. Because it uses subspace to transport matter, this matter needed to be in a state of quantum flux. Not only is this highly unstable, it also is the reason sensors cannot detect a transport in progress or that shields can prevent transporting. If the signature of a subspace transporter is known, one can detect it when a particular subspace carrier wave is approaching. This makes it also possible to determine where the end coordinates of the transporter beam will be. Someone who used a subspace transporter would leave a distinct subspace signature on anything he or she came in contact with, although this contact needed to be more than brief. To prevent a beam-out with such a transporter a pattern lock needed to be prevented. Because the transporter operates via subspace the subspace field coils needed to be tied into the transporter system. Depending on the type of transporter the subspace signature might decay faster than normal, making it difficult but not impossible to determine the origin of the transporter beam. Federation transporters could be modified to transport via subspace (although this was not advisable) by aligning the field coils, synchronizing the phase dampers after which the transport pattern was modulated. The transport sequence itself was longer than normal because the pattern needed to be shunted through the subspace field coils. There was no guarantee that the person in question could be beamed back. Geordi La Forge and Data used this technique to beam Jean-Luc Picard to the ship of DaiMon Bok. The Federation researched this technology but abandoned it because of its unreliability and energy requirements. The only one who once used a subspace transporter was DaiMon Bok when he tried to get even with Captain Picard for killing his son. (TNG: "Bloodlines") In TNG: "Realm of Fear", Reginald Barclay cited his Transporter Theory class in which Dr. Olafson talked about "the body being converted into billions of kiloquads of data, zipping through subspace." This would suggest that all transporters operate through subspace (which would also explain why transporter beams don't destroy everything they pass through like an energy weapon) and would seem to conflict with the later dialog of TNG: "Bloodlines". |
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The sub-quantum transporter was meant to be a device capable of transporting people from planet to planet. Had it been successful, it would have made the Earth Starfleet obsolete. It was invented by Emory Erickson, who had previously invented the transporter years earlier. The sub-quantum transporter, though, was a failure. According to Erickson himself the sub-quantum transporter was based on a fundamentally flawed concept and would in fact never have worked at all. In 2139, during early tests, Emory Erickson lost his son, Quinn Erickson, in a transporter beam. (ENT: "Daedalus") |
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Transwarp beaming was a use of the transporter to beam a living being from one planet to an adjacent planet, within the same star system, or even onto a starship traveling at high warp. It was postulated by Montgomery Scott. In an alternate reality, Montgomery Scott debated with his instructor regarding relativistic physics in relation to subspace travel involved with the equation. According to his instructor, long-range transwarp beaming was impossible, but Scotty thought it was easy. His first attempt was to transport "Admiral Archer's prized beagle." When asked if transport had been successful by James T. Kirk and Spock, Scotty replied that he'd let them know "when it turns up." The whole notion of transwarp beaming was according to Scotty: "like trying to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet whilst wearing a blindfold, riding a horse." On Delta Vega, Scotty made a second attempt, with help of a future Spock who already knew the completed equation. Upon viewing the formula, Scotty commented that he had never considered that it was "space" that was "moving." The second attempt was to beam Kirk and himself from Delta Vega to the USS Enterprise. It was mostly a success, although Scotty materialized in a fluid filled chamber and almost drowned. The third use of transwarp beaming was the transport of Kirk and younger Spock to the Narada, that was orbiting Earth, from the orbit of Titan. (Star Trek) |
wow quite an explanation mariel..nice going
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.
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Originally Posted by Mariel_Martog
Romulans- the first time any Human ever sees a Romulan is in TOS: "Balance of Terror" and the crew is shocked to find that they are similar to Volcans. The ship Narada looks like nothing seen in any Star trek series and yet Starfleet and the Klingons know its a Romulan
How? How do they know a Romulan when they see one.
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Just because nobody had seen a Romulan (in person) doesn't mean they wouldn't recognize a SHIP with a Romulan configuration.
Again, pre-ST:TOS, the Federation HAD engaged the Romulans. They had just never actually captured a prisoner or seen a body. You know, nuclear-powered ship + damage = *KABLOOIE!*
And by ship-to-ship they mean "nobody's seen them on a viewscreen".
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Originally Posted by Tayla Ewa
There's also the most glaring plot hole of all.. what happened to that time traveling/guarding star fleet we met on Voyager?
I think Nero coming back and completely changing history would be a rather glaring problem that they'd want to address. In any case, I still found it to be an entertaining movie. |
Also, the initial incursion happened decades prior to the discovery of gravity-slingshot time travel. So the time travel corps doesn't exist yet.
And, again, who's to say they didn't? It's been stated that the original TOS universe still exists. This is just a parallel. So what we have is a "What If" branch for the reboot.
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I'm just relishing the sweet, sweet irony of someone invoking canon on anything involving Star Trek.
I can think of a good number of adjectives to describe the series, but "logically consistent" is by far not one of them. 
Heck, the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself didn't consider some of the TOS episodes (specifically the third season) as "canon". 
Even if this is Star Trek on the same timeline as the original ones, then the Enterprise went back in time to 1986 to capture whales to save Earth from destruction from Space Whales. Why does nobody remember Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, which put the timeline into whack anyways? Old Spock was obviously the original Spock, who went back in time the 2nd time, and no time keepers went, "Well, he travelled twice!"
Also keep in mind that the new movie is not the same timeline as the original series, nor the timeline as happened after the whales were taken from 1986, because once you move one thing from time you change the configuration of the entire universe. A la Back to the Future. But the rules of time travel in Star Trek doesn't seem to effect the rules of Back to the Future (because both old and new Spock saw each other without causing a temporal disturbance).
Also, more time travel was the Borg in first contact! The Enterprise went back in time AGAIN to stop the Borg from destroying Earth.
Seems Star Trek takes liberties with time travel...
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I thought a wizard did all that?
Let us stifle under mud at the pond's edge
and affirm that it is fitting
and delicious to lose everything. ~ Donald Hall
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Small logical error here.
Just because nobody had seen a Romulan (in person) doesn't mean they wouldn't recognize a SHIP with a Romulan configuration. Again, pre-ST:TOS, the Federation HAD engaged the Romulans. They had just never actually captured a prisoner or seen a body. You know, nuclear-powered ship + damage = *KABLOOIE!* And by ship-to-ship they mean "nobody's seen them on a viewscreen". |
1.2156–2160 The Earth-Romulan War is fought between the United Earth and its allies, and the Romulan Star Empire. The war ends in a stalemate though the Romulans are defeated at the Battle of Cheron. The Romulan Neutral Zone is established. No Human or Human Ally ever sees a Romulan and the only Identifier is the giant bird painted on their ships.
2.2233 the USS Kelvin Attacked by a “Romulan Ship” it never Identifies itself, it has no “War paint” since it’s a civilian mining ship the size of several space stations during this time period.
3.2387 Romulan home world destroyed, Nero Attacks Spock and is pulled though time.
Facts we can assume.
1.Narada is not new but not very old either. So it could have been made anytime within the last 25 years however it is not 226 years old.
2.Nero is not using a military communications channel when he addresses the Kelvin and the com officer never states a Romulan signal.
3.Do to the size and shape of the ship any markings identifying it would have to be searched for if you have never seen a ship like it. Moreover, I doubt that a giant bird would be conclusive in this case.
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The Doc Brown theory of time works for the technical look and feel of the Movie, this why my only real comment on it was the brewery feel of the ship.
things to justify that.
A young hiker, Henry Starling, finds the timeship in 1967, and steals its technology to found his own company, Chronowerx, which leads to the computer revolution of the nineties. (justifies the Advanced Look of the computers in Enterprise and Star Trek 2009)
2285 Kirk takes a kilngon ship to 1986. Montgomery "Scotty" Scott invents transparent aluminum.
2063 Zefram Cochrane meets the crew of TNG.
2151 Jonathan Archer is Caught up in the Temporal Time War. (justifies some of the bad writing and cannon errors in ST:Enterprise)
2153 Borg Sphere Found in Antarctica. (justifies the better weapons in Star Trek 2009)
After seeing this Movie 3 times at the theater, once in I-Max, and Downloading the Blue-Ray Torrent, and watching it a few move times. I am ready to say my piece.
The Good:
The Action was fast fun and furious, and was worth the time. The movie goes at a pace that makes it worthwhile.
The Bad:
The inside of the Enterprise looks like a Brewery.
The tech isn’t just prettier, but actually felt more advanced than the original series.
Romulans- the first time any Human ever sees a Romulan is in TOS: "Balance of Terror" and the crew is shocked to find that they are similar to Volcans. The ship Narada looks like nothing seen in any Star trek series and yet “Starfleet” and the Klingons know it’s a Romulan… How? How do they know a Romulan when they see one.
This is the direct quote giving all the known information on Romulans
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