Looks like you're very excited about Alexei, Werner. I'm looking forward to the results and limits of that toon.
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Was that the AV or the GM? And, for that matter, has any scrapper taken out a GM?
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The AV, definitely.
I don't see any scrapper being able to take out a GM without insps/temps. I used to think a Fire/Shield could take out the weaker ones with AaO saturated, but GMs would run and mess things up wouldn't they ?
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Lusca doesn't run, but she deals a goodly amount of Toxic, I believe, which might be a problem of she lands any hits on you. There's also the whole Gotta-Kill-All-The-Arms thing.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
The AV, definitely.
I don't see any scrapper being able to take out a GM without insps/temps. I used to think a Fire/Shield could take out the weaker ones with AaO saturated, but GMs would run and mess things up wouldn't they ? |
What're U'kon Grai's stats?
You can forget about it for any level 50 GM ; they regen something like 360 hp per second.
Lower level GMs have less HP and regen less - but it's important to keep in mind player damage scales down too. I'm thinking Kraken or Babbage could be doable for very high DPS builds, but anything over that might regen too much (although it's just a gut feeling from my attempts *with* insps/temps, and not hard numbers).
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Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
Lusca doesn't run, but she deals a goodly amount of Toxic, I believe, which might be a problem of she lands any hits on you. There's also the whole Gotta-Kill-All-The-Arms thing.
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Not the right place to ask that but.... can you add GMs in AE missions?
Cause while U'kon Grai mean be do-able, the setting is just too horrible. You'd have an army of +4 riktis helping him, so a mix of slashing, energy, fire and psy damage. =/
Anyone managed to beat one of the DE monster? With insps, it might be do-able, specialy since some of them have weakness IIRC.
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Originally Posted by FireWyvern
Not the right place to ask that but.... can you add GMs in AE missions?
Cause while U'kon Grai mean be do-able, the setting is just too horrible. You'd have an army of +4 riktis helping him, so a mix of slashing, energy, fire and psy damage. =/ Anyone managed to beat one of the DE monster? With insps, it might be do-able, specialy since some of them have weakness IIRC. |
As to the question of De Monsters: I believe, back in the day, some folks were able to drop them like they were AVs, or some such. Slash Monkey, if I recall correctly. I don't know if that still holds true.
You can put GM´s in AE missions. Some sapwn as Archvillains and a few as GM´s though.
Havent figured out how to bypass mission being set to the gm´s level though. tried putting in kraken but i was auto exemped to 14.
What is a DE monster?
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Devouring Earth
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What is a DE monster?
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ahh...silly me...lol. So, what were the builds that people used to beat 6 and 7 AV's?
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Chimera, Marauder, Bobcat, Battle Maiden, Agent Crimson, Requiem, Romulus. Those were the seven I whacked. In retrospective, the last two may not have been the smartest choices, but I just like punching their ugly faces, specially Requiem (he's somewhat the reason Actin got her powers, and man was she ever pissed off at that).
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There's not enough S/L AVs without defense debuffs. I think Aliana went ahead and fought some AVs with defense debuffs anyway, but lacking Siphon Life my mitigation wasn't high enough without the softcap so I went for exotic types too.
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Why would it be abusable?
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'Twould be simply too abusable, no?
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Kraken, Scrapyard and DE Monsters are available in the AE
No one's answered the question though, how tough are the DE monsters compared to AV's or the Pylon?
Are they solo-able?
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They don't necessarily put out any more damage than AVs or pylons, but you'll probably never do enough damage to solo them without nukes and inspirations. They regenerate the equivalent of 360 hit points per second. Nihilii mentioned it earlier in the thread.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
No one's answered the question though, how tough are the DE monsters compared to AV's or the Pylon?
Are they solo-able? |
To demonstrate that an AV build can survive them just fine, here's Sergei's Monster Island Vacation. I survived three Devouring Earth monsters for a while, grabbed a fourth, and went down not long after that.
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I'm surprised Silverado didn't get a chance to mention this yet, but while basically no one can lay out enough damage to out-gun their HP/sec regen, characters with debuffs (particularly -Regen) can stop their regen enough to defeat them even at sometimes much lower raw DPS. Many of these sets also sport -DR, which amounts to a damage multipler. Powersets that are good at this are Traps, Rad Emission, Cold Domination, and even Mental Assault/Manipulation (for Drain Psyche).
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Good to know. Thanks. The Devouring Earth are my second favorite enemies right after Rularuu, but at 50 only the rocks spawn in missions which makes them really boring instead of fun. I'd often wondered about trying the Monsters, but all my attempts were futile.
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Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
Thanks Nihilii and Werner, it will be very usefull. =)
(Was particularily interested in seeing how close to dying you get and how often.)
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