Originally Posted by SoulTouch
lololol listen looking at mids numbers isnt hard, go try it yourself it isn't a 30degree cone as it states it is, it hits every single thing.
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You seem to be boasting about your farming abilities, but then not willing to say what you farm? Okay. I may have to agree with Soul then about using an exploitive AE mission. I would gladly post my numbers if I knew what you were using to make a fair comparison.
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if you think you can pull better numbers, by all means go ahead and show them.
why would i be interested in creating more competition for myself?
Okay so putting together a rough Mids build with the numbers you say you've got:
With Rage, Fury at 80, 83% dam enh% and a Geddon proc, Mids is averaging Footstomp to 286. Hitting the target cap every time means you're doing 2,860 damage every 10 seconds.
Same enhancement values as Stomp and a Posi proc average Ball Lightning out to 194.4 At the target cap, thats 3,110.4 damage every 22 seconds.
Super rough math follows (there is no Arcanatime here, son):
Footstomp damage over recharge = 2860/10 = 286 rough DPS
Ball Lightning damage over recharge = 3110/15 = 207 rough DPS.
The math is very rough (no Arcanatime, no cast times, Hasten not in the mix) but the fact remains: Even if you hit the target cap every single time, Footstomp still does more damage over time.
In non SUPAR SEKRIT AE FARMZOR situations, Footstomp totally blows Ball Lightning or any other patron AoE out of the water. Higher base damage, large radius, faster recharge.
Unless you're fighting something that is weak to energy damage and resistant to smashing damage. Like Freak Tanks, I guess. But choosing to farm something resistant to your primary and highest source of damage for something weak to your secondary and lower source of damage is pretty silly.
Also while I'm more than willing to farm and get some numbers for you, inf/min doesn't mean dick as far as proving your Ball Lightning does more damage than your Footstomp. Run Herostats, that'll show you how much damage your powers are doing.
Edit: you're probably fighting Freakshow, which would account for Ball Lightning doing more damage. And if that is the case, that speaks more to the nature of your farm than the relative power of Ball Lightning and Footstomp.
I'm skeptical of BL still doing more damage than Footstomp even in that situation because of its DoT nature even if you throw it out before Stomp most of the tics won't land because stuff will have died. I've found I get much more damage out of Dark Obliteration than I did with BL because while it has lower damage, the damage is all dealt up front whereas I was only getting the full benefit of BLs higher damage on bosses.
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Okay so putting together a rough Mids build with the numbers you say you've got:
With Rage, Fury at 80, 83% dam enh% and a Geddon proc, Mids is averaging Footstomp to 286. Hitting the target cap every time means you're doing 2,860 damage every 10 seconds. Same enhancement values as Stomp and a Posi proc average Ball Lightning out to 194.4 At the target cap, thats 3,110.4 damage every 22 seconds. Super rough math follows (there is no Arcanatime here, son): Footstomp damage over recharge = 2860/10 = 286 rough DPS Ball Lightning damage over recharge = 3110/15 = 207 rough DPS. The math is very rough (no Arcanatime, no cast times, Hasten not in the mix) but the fact remains: Even if you hit the target cap every single time, Footstomp still does more damage over time. In non SUPAR SEKRIT AE FARMZOR situations, Footstomp totally blows Ball Lightning or any other patron AoE out of the water. Higher base damage, large radius, faster recharge. Unless you're fighting something that is weak to energy damage and resistant to smashing damage. Like Freak Tanks, I guess. But choosing to farm something resistant to your primary and highest source of damage for something weak to your secondary and lower source of damage is pretty silly. Also while I'm more than willing to farm and get some numbers for you, inf/min doesn't mean dick as far as proving your Ball Lightning does more damage than your Footstomp. Run Herostats, that'll show you how much damage your powers are doing. Edit: you're probably fighting Freakshow, which would account for Ball Lightning doing more damage. And if that is the case, that speaks more to the nature of your farm than the relative power of Ball Lightning and Footstomp. I'm skeptical of BL still doing more damage than Footstomp even in that situation because of its DoT nature even if you throw it out before Stomp most of the tics won't land because stuff will have died. I've found I get much more damage out of Dark Obliteration than I did with BL because while it has lower damage, the damage is all dealt up front whereas I was only getting the full benefit of BLs higher damage on bosses. |
@Psycho Jas
I agree with Silas -- I Think the combo of foot stomp and dark oblit works really well with my SS/SD Brute
Don't get me wrong the BL works, currently thinking if I should revamp my original ELM/SD Brute out of it or keep it -- But I think the higher upfront dmg and the debuff are more handy
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To the actual topic of the thread -- I've been itching to try Plant/ , so I'm working on a Plant/Earth which looks pretty fun! Farming no idea...
My Fire/Psi is a lot of fun, I just like how the powers work together -- then again I like my Fire/Kin trollers just as much.
I think you can make the big AoE builds work -- It depends on what you prefer to play ultimately, do you like the controlling dmg or the 'Roar boom boom pow!'-ness of Brutes that have better all around survivability (most of the time). Don't play something just for farming that you don't enjoy as you can make lots of things work efficiently for what you want to do.
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Okay so putting together a rough Mids build with the numbers you say you've got:
With Rage, Fury at 80, 83% dam enh% and a Geddon proc, Mids is averaging Footstomp to 286. Hitting the target cap every time means you're doing 2,860 damage every 10 seconds. Same enhancement values as Stomp and a Posi proc average Ball Lightning out to 194.4 At the target cap, thats 3,110.4 damage every 22 seconds. Super rough math follows (there is no Arcanatime here, son): Footstomp damage over recharge = 2860/10 = 286 rough DPS Ball Lightning damage over recharge = 3110/15 = 207 rough DPS. The math is very rough (no Arcanatime, no cast times, Hasten not in the mix) but the fact remains: Even if you hit the target cap every single time, Footstomp still does more damage over time. In non SUPAR SEKRIT AE FARMZOR situations, Footstomp totally blows Ball Lightning or any other patron AoE out of the water. Higher base damage, large radius, faster recharge. Unless you're fighting something that is weak to energy damage and resistant to smashing damage. Like Freak Tanks, I guess. But choosing to farm something resistant to your primary and highest source of damage for something weak to your secondary and lower source of damage is pretty silly. Also while I'm more than willing to farm and get some numbers for you, inf/min doesn't mean dick as far as proving your Ball Lightning does more damage than your Footstomp. Run Herostats, that'll show you how much damage your powers are doing. Edit: you're probably fighting Freakshow, which would account for Ball Lightning doing more damage. And if that is the case, that speaks more to the nature of your farm than the relative power of Ball Lightning and Footstomp. I'm skeptical of BL still doing more damage than Footstomp even in that situation because of its DoT nature even if you throw it out before Stomp most of the tics won't land because stuff will have died. I've found I get much more damage out of Dark Obliteration than I did with BL because while it has lower damage, the damage is all dealt up front whereas I was only getting the full benefit of BLs higher damage on bosses. |
herostats is herostats.
while your math makes sense. it's not what herostats is showing me.
herostats is showing that i'm getting nearly as much damage from ball lightning and burn as i am from foot stomp.
farming generates income.
income is used to buy io's.
my goal is to io out most of my toons.
as long as my income is coming in at a higher rate than other people's income, i will have the advantage in most market situations.
Straight up numbers from 1 run:
427,706.15 total damage coming from ball lightning.
461,879.89 total damage coming from foot stomp.
549,288.07 total damage coming from Fire (assuming that's blazing aura)
438,824.00 from Unknown. (assumption that this is burn.)
Straight up numbers from 1 run:
427,706.15 total damage coming from ball lightning. 461,879.89 total damage coming from foot stomp. 549,288.07 total damage coming from Fire (assuming that's blazing aura) 438,824.00 from Unknown. (assumption that this is burn.) |
Also I don't know what map you are farming, but its bad, good brutes use broke ambush AE farms who spam bilespray leik lulz. Thats if they arn't failing at farming for purples in normal maps. Both ways stop thinking your the best at everything, you're not.
@Psycho Jas
Also you claim you try to maximize your inf per hour, considering you're someone who admited he has a cheap build, you are certainly not maximizing your inf per hour, maximized build + higher level then downs skill > your bad farming.
@Psycho Jas
herostats is herostats.
while your math makes sense. it's not what herostats is showing me. herostats is showing that i'm getting nearly as much damage from ball lightning and burn as i am from foot stomp. |
hero stats is hero stats git wrekt by your own logics?
@Psycho Jas
you said your ball lightning does more damage then foot stomp arn't those numbers clearly proving you wrong?
Also I don't know what map you are farming, but its bad, good brutes use broke ambush AE farms who spam bilespray leik lulz. Thats if they arn't failing at farming for purples in normal maps. Both ways stop thinking your the best at everything, you're not. |
@Psycho Jas
I dont have enough nerd in me to go download herostats and be a cool kid and check my numbers, to then find that I have them wrong(you) and that as I said - dont deny it - that footstomp is better then BL, and also cool kid care to come to AE and see bilespray in broke form?
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are you seriously that desperate?
go die on your elec/therm moar.
the lengths you will go to have me remove you from ignore.
are you seriously that desperate? go die on your elec/therm moar. |
i'd love to show you on my brute how broke bile spray is but its on a 72 hour ban again, so i'd have to hop on a friends brute, so no, the ignore thing.. didn't work.
Here is a perfect example of barrier trying to get his feet wet into something to do with pve and then gets wrekt by himself, and then brings pvp into it because its about the only thing he doesnt suck at.
for the record this guy went emo about me asking him why he had incinerate on his domi, and thus /ignored me ingame. GG.
also spam moar RSF recruits on AC please.
@Psycho Jas
here is a perfect example of someone who thrives on self-flattery.
i'd love to show you on my brute how broke bile spray is but its on a 72 hour ban again, so i'd have to hop on a friends brute, so no, the ignore thing.. didn't work. Here is a perfect example of barrier trying to get his feet wet into something to do with pve and then gets wrekt by himself, and then brings pvp into it because its about the only thing he doesnt suck at. for the record this guy went emo about me asking him why he had incinerate on his domi, and thus /ignored me ingame. GG. also spam moar RSF recruits on AC please. |
i ignored you because you were stalking me.
switching to your friends acct and asking for srs talk because i e-hurt your feelings by calling you bad. something which you obviously.. well.. are.
hey hey, why are you rephrasing me telling you to go back to pve-ing but changing "pve" to "pvp"? oh wait, it's the soul touch way: take something someone says to me, rephrase it if it allows for it, then throw it out again... mad smarts.
wax poetic some more.
i ignored you because you were stalking me. switching to your friends acct and asking for srs talk because i e-hurt your feelings by calling you bad. something which you obviously.. well.. are. hey hey, why are you rephrasing me telling you to go back to pve-ing but changing "pve" to "pvp"? oh wait, it's the soul touch way: take something someone says to me, rephrase it if it allows for it, then throw it out again... mad smarts. |
@Psycho Jas
Straight up numbers from 1 run:
427,706.15 total damage coming from ball lightning. 461,879.89 total damage coming from foot stomp. 549,288.07 total damage coming from Fire (assuming that's blazing aura) 438,824.00 from Unknown. (assumption that this is burn.) |
As in, Footstomp is doing more damage than Ball Lightning.
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I still lol at the fact that you think farming is a competition. You do know farming isn't the only way to generate inf, right?
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