Well my Claws/Invul is a scrapper and I do recall a large end drain, what I did was aim for sets with recovery bonuses. Knowing more about IOs now I would aim for defense bonuses but I can't muster the ambition to rebuild him. As far as Claws and Brutes go, I found Spin and Evis to be great attacks and deal out massive amounts of damage with fury but also that they ate into my blue bar.
Invul's 3 toggles should use less end than SR's 3 toggles and SR has to use PB. I would suspect your attacks are the largest reason you are burning through end.
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Jaxon Penn 50 Shield/Mace
Cpt Clax 50 Thugs/Dark
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Lady Black Ice 50 Dark/Ice
Bella Jax 50 Storm/Sonic
Operative Jax 50 SoA
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i'd expect so, i do have 5 after all. swipe, follow up, evis, spin, focus. i know i don't need all of those, so i'm thinking i should kcik out focus, though i do like it. and is shockwave a good attack cos it's description kinda put me off, semi ranged knockback sorta thing =S wierd.|
Originally Posted by JAXMAN
Invul's 3 toggles should use less end than SR's 3 toggles and SR has to use PB. I would suspect your attacks are the largest reason you are burning through end.
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ill tweak my mids build and post it here when im done, guess that'll help =)
My brute has Swipe, Slash, Follow Up, Focus, Spin, Evis, and Shockwave. I have a solid single target attack chain and 3 AoE attacks. A lot of the bigger hitting attacks don't do enough damage for their end cost when Fury is low, IMO. Using Evis on one target is a good way burning through end, it still burns end against multiple targets but you do a heck of a lot more damage.
I wouldn't give up my single target attacks or Spin and Shockwave. Evis is a maybe but it still is way too useful when my diff is set to more than 1 player.
The best way to manage end will probably though IOs, either from set bonuses or the procs.
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Icy Jax 50 Ice/SS
Jaxon Penn 50 Shield/Mace
Cpt Clax 50 Thugs/Dark
Lady BlackIce 50 Dark/Cold
Lady Black Ice 50 Dark/Ice
Bella Jax 50 Storm/Sonic
Operative Jax 50 SoA
Level 50 Trick Arrow Alts
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1) Spin & Eviserate have always done fine for me. Shockwave does knockback, which hurts INV survivability, unless you push them into walls (ect), but AI really just never liked the attack (in my experience).|
Originally Posted by NeonPower
Hey i've been playing a Claws/inv toon recently, for the first few levels up to 20 it was an absolute beast and a pleasure to play, but recently it's really deteriorated.
I'm 30 atm and i'm leaching end like crazy despite me having an end red IO in every attack and toggle. My attacks seem like they are hardly hitting hard at all, and my survivability isn't that great because of it. I'm really losing interest in it atm, and so i have a couple Q's about my build and such to ask you lovely forum people. 1) which attacks would you say make a very effective AoE attack chain for a claws brute? 2) How much is lethal damage resisted at lvl 30? i heard someone say about the lol lethal damage problem at high levels so i imagine this will get stronger as i get closer to 50. 3) which damage types are the least resisted (brute primarys, no psionic please =P) 4) Is Inv fun to play at higher levels or is it just very survivable? and would you suggest WP over Inv for a brute? thanx for reading guys, look forward to your feedback =) -NP |
2) It's not as bad as people make it out to be. Notice how Claws/ is a popular AT soloer for a reason.
3) Dark and Ice
4) INV is very survival inhigher level, against what and how good depends on facotrs of...do you plan to IO or just use SOs/Gen IOs?
Note: I don't see why you would be having END issues. Did you grab STamina? Claws is one of the most END friendly sets around.
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I have a 33 Claws/INV brute and after slotting level 35 common IOs his survivability and endurance usage was much more managable.
I have some thoughts, in no particular order.
1. What INV powers do you have? How are they slotted? Resist Energies will offer some end drain resistance and I respecced into this at 32. It seems to help a bit against Mu, etc.
2. When I hit 32, I dropped Eviscerate for Shockwave. It does do alot of knockback which takes critters out of Invincibility but I monitor my defense and with all the friggin -def being slung around by nearly every mob at this level (namely LB), it doesn't seem to matter. Plus, I just position the mob against a wall or use Shockwave as a finishing attack.
3. I have all my attacks slotted with 2 ACC, 1 END RED, 1 DAM (except follow-up which as a Rech Red instead of damage), and my endurance is fine unless I take on two mobs. I am currently running at -1/x6.
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Originally Posted by NeonPower
I'm 30 atm and i'm leaching end like crazy despite me having an end red IO in every attack and toggle. My attacks seem like they are hardly hitting hard at all, and my survivability isn't that great because of it
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Even with Claws being light on the endurance bar constant use of Spin and Eviscerate will eat up end. I would do 2 endurance reductions until you can get into sets later on and have endurance recovery coming in from other areas, etc.
30 is a good level to look for cheap sets on the market for frankenslotting for performance, for both toggles and attacks.
Smashing haymaker is pretty cheap as sets go, adds some SM/L def and leaves room for you to frankenslot for performance.
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I just got my claws/invul brute to 50.|
Originally Posted by NeonPower
Hey i've been playing a Claws/inv toon recently, for the first few levels up to 20 it was an absolute beast and a pleasure to play, but recently it's really deteriorated.
I'm 30 atm and i'm leaching end like crazy despite me having an end red IO in every attack and toggle. My attacks seem like they are hardly hitting hard at all, and my survivability isn't that great because of it. I'm really losing interest in it atm, and so i have a couple Q's about my build and such to ask you lovely forum people. 1) which attacks would you say make a very effective AoE attack chain for a claws brute? 2) How much is lethal damage resisted at lvl 30? i heard someone say about the lol lethal damage problem at high levels so i imagine this will get stronger as i get closer to 50. 3) which damage types are the least resisted (brute primarys, no psionic please =P) 4) Is Inv fun to play at higher levels or is it just very survivable? and would you suggest WP over Inv for a brute? thanx for reading guys, look forward to your feedback =) -NP |
Here is my 2 cents.
1) SPIN SPIN SPIN!!! spin followed by eversicerate is awesome too.
2)Starting at level 40 there are alot of enemies that resist lethal...but your dps is so good...you won't notice a big difference.
3)Negative is probably the least resisted.
4)After you get invicibility nicely slotted and get some defense bonus'.../invul is very very good. With just 4 or 5 enemies near...most of my typed defenses are soft capped. I would try to avoid Malta, Carnies, widows, and mue though.
Well with the attacks i use, i am using Eviscerate, Focus, Spin and Follow up most, which are, for claws attacks, kinda end heavy because of the buff Aoe and ranged 'ness' of them. I have slotted them with 1 EndRed, 1 Acc, 1 Rech which with the rech could be a cause of the end drop. I do have stamina, but because of the market it's not slotted at all yet.
...I'm gona just put everything down to too high expectations of the set. I'll play through the set and see how it goes solo for a while.
Thanx for all the replies guys, really appreciate it =)
Ps:Thought i'd upload my build anyway incase there are a couple tweaks that could help my survivability when i reach the cap =)
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Adamant Blade: Level 50 Science Brute
Primary Power Set: Claws
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Swipe KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(5), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-EndRdx(9), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Dull Pain Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(23), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(42), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 6: Spin Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(15)
Level 8: Follow Up Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(15), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(17), GSFC-Build%(39)
Level 10: Resist Elements RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(17), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(19), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(19)
Level 12: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(21), RechRdx-I(21)
Level 14: Super Speed Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(23)
Level 16: Unyielding Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(25), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(25), Aegis-Psi/Status(27), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 18: Hurdle Jump-I(A)
Level 20: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(27), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(29), Numna-Heal/Rchg(29), RgnTis-Regen+(31)
Level 22: Stamina P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(33), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(33)
Level 24: Focus Apoc-Dam%(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(34), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 26: Eviscerate Armgdn-Dam%(A), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(36)
Level 28: Invincibility LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(37), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(37)
Level 30: Resist Energies RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(39), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 32: Taunt Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(37), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(40), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 35: Tough Hide LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(43), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 38: Unstoppable ImpArm-ResPsi(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(45)
Level 41: Boxing KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(46), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Tough ImpArm-ResPsi(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46), ImpArm-ResDam(48), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(48)
Level 47: Weave LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def(50)
Level 49: Combat Jumping LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Hey i've been playing a Claws/inv toon recently, for the first few levels up to 20 it was an absolute beast and a pleasure to play, but recently it's really deteriorated.
I'm 30 atm and i'm leaching end like crazy despite me having an end red IO in every attack and toggle. My attacks seem like they are hardly hitting hard at all, and my survivability isn't that great because of it.
I'm really losing interest in it atm, and so i have a couple Q's about my build and such to ask you lovely forum people.
1) which attacks would you say make a very effective AoE attack chain for a claws brute?
2) How much is lethal damage resisted at lvl 30? i heard someone say about the lol lethal damage problem at high levels so i imagine this will get stronger as i get closer to 50.
3) which damage types are the least resisted (brute primarys, no psionic please =P)
4) Is Inv fun to play at higher levels or is it just very survivable? and would you suggest WP over Inv for a brute?
thanx for reading guys, look forward to your feedback =)
-NP