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DB & AVs?

Arcanaville

By Arcanaville,
Posted on: 2009-10-30 15:24 in Scrappers

 

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Originally Posted by Umbral View Post
You're forgetting that the 550 second endurance period was without any end redux. Getting the equivalent of a single end redux IO in each power (which is what most builds tend to manage on average) would reduce the costs down to 3.83 end/sec, which would give you 1.43 end/sec active endurance gain to play around with for additional toggles.
Ahh, I misread. I stand corrected.

 

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Originally Posted by BlazingBlue View Post
Werner, what's your attack chain?
Divine Avalanche -> Gambler's Cut -> Sting of the Wasp -> Gambler's Cut for a boring little 146 DPS if I'm calculating it right. Well, plus 16 DPS from Death Shroud for 162 DPS, but I won't want that on while soloing AVs, because I want to keep my Dark Regeneration fuel alive. It's not really how I'd build an AV soloer; it's just capable of it.

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Quick question - I saw nihilli slotted fast healing with 5 slots & his RttC with 3 - am wondring why it's not the other way around?

 

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With Stamina (Perf Shifter proc, Perf Shifter End Mod, common End Mod), QR (same as Stamina), Physical Perfection (Numina proc, Miracle Proc, Perf Shifter proc, Perf Shifter End Mod, common End Mod), and the passive +end accolades, you will generate 5.26 end/sec.
Thanks for listing the sacrifices to save me the trouble of doing so, I appreciate it.

Numina proc in PP means less regen from it, which means the PP regen bonus makes it just even. In other words, you used the CP power pick on PP and you spent more slots than in CP to get a lower endurance benefit, resulting in lower overall effectiveness.

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Excuse me for butting in but that's very much the case with your build that you posted not long ago. Which is a nice build, very similar to someone elses I know but that's not the only way to build.
Ok, sure. I never said it was. I said *I* wouldn't build without CP.

However, what I did and what you naysayers didn't yet is post a build for everyone to see and critique. Instead of taking jabs at me, you could do something constructive for everyone and prove your point by posting a build that has equal or better defenses/HP/resistances, equal or better DPS and enough end management without CP ("enough" being defined as running the attack chain indefinitely). I'm sure it's possible seeing as I had other priorities such as good unsuppressed movement and great tohit (and yes, getting rid of any of these would be sacrifices).

 

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Originally Posted by dume View Post
Quick question - I saw nihilli slotted fast healing with 5 slots & his RttC with 3 - am wondring why it's not the other way around?
I wanted the miracle ASAP and planned on exemplaring. It's a 2% regen difference with the other way around, so I never bothered to change it.

 

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I am not down with all the sacrifices thing. You can have BF-AV, sustainable, with Foc Acc running, you might want that in getting PP and to boost acc, keep Maneuvers, have such things as 45% def S/L, even 35% def to E/N too and 34% def to F/C and maybe only, say, lose maybe 5 hitpoints of regen per sec on a single target. It all depends on how you want to slot. Me I just rattled a build up fast. Which you can have to look at in a PM if you want Nihili just don't post it as its a build 2 possibility for me. (People properly wouldn't want something that comes with confront as well ).

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I couldn't care less about a build. It's the OP that could use one.

Besides, getting lower defense to E/N/F/C and lower regen would fall into my exact definition of what a sacrifice is, yes. Whether it's meaningful or not is for each person to decide, again I never said my way was the only way to build.

This is amazing. Umbral is the one who flipped out because I dared to express a different opinion than his own, and reading some replies you'd think *I* am the one who insists other people should build my way, when all I said is that *I* would build that way.

 

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I was just willing to show you something that backs up what people are saying. You would lose 5hp per sec regen to a single target and maybe 1% def to F and C in comparison the build you recently posted (which was a nice build) but gain alot in S/L def, S/L being common. But I dare say that you could have soft cap to E/N and that 1% to F/C back if you wanted, have your regen back and still have a sustainable build without CP. I'd have to make one so when I come back from work but it shouldn't take long. I wouldn't sacrifice so much S/L over fire/cold and some 5 hp per sec.

You are entitled to your own opinion though.

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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I'm tired to state over and over what my opinion really is, so let's state it one last time again with as much details as possible.

I (me, myself, the user going by the forum handle Nihilii in the city of heroes message boards) would personally not build a Dual Blades/Willpower scrapper without Conserve Power, as I feel for one power pick and one additional slot the power offers so much endurance management flexibility, doing without would involve sacrifices I (me, myself, the player behind the forum handle Nihilii) am not willing to make.

Here's what I consider sacrifices, compared to my build :
- losing 0.1% of defense to anything or above
- losing 0.1% of resistance to anything or above
- losing 0.1% of regeneration or above
- losing 0.1% of damage per second or above
- losing 0.1% of tohit buff or above
- losing 0.1% of jumpspeed or above

Increasing certain aspects (i.e., S/L defense) at the expense of others doesn't make the sacrifices dissapear. It's a tradeoff, with pros that might outweigh the cons, but there's still sacrifices.

I am NOT saying the build I used is the most efficient build. I am NOT saying it is impossible to build a DB/WP with an AV sustainable attack chain without CP. I am NOT saying it is impossible to build a DB/WP with the same or more DPS, defenses, resistances and regen than my build without CP, and I encourage anybody that can do that to post a build, this might give the OP ideas.

Throwing random numbers or assertions out of a vacuum don't mean much. I could claim I have a DB/WP build lying on my HDD that does 240 DPS thanks to CP but that I don't want to share (this is a hypothetical claim, and it's sad I have to mention that). What does that accomplish ? You, as in a general "anyone who feels CP is a waste for a DB/WP AV soloer" you, want to prove your point, it's simple : POST. A. BUILD.

That goes for you too, mister anonymous "plz l2math" red reputation. Plz l2read, plz l2manup.

 

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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
mister anonymous "plz l2math" red reputation. Plz l2read, plz l2manup.
Seriously? Somebody negative repped you for comments about building a Dual Blades to solo AVs? In leetspeak? Lame. Positive repping you in an attempt to offset.

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Much appreciated. I'm cool with people telling what they think of me, good or bad, but if anyone feels I'm doing it wrong and they're doing it right, it'd make more sense for them to share their builds for everyone to see and take ideas from.

If the issue here is my use of the word "sacrifice" is deemed too strong even if I am specifically talking about my own build, I'm not sure we need pages of semantic arguments over that. I'm completely willling to agree what is a sacrifice to me could be a non-factor for others.

Granted, by now I'm polluting this thread more than anyone else with my rants, so let's stop there. Leaving comments in leetspeak is just asking to be mocked, though.

 

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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
You, as in a general "anyone who feels CP is a waste for a DB/WP AV soloer" you, want to prove your point, it's simple : POST. A. BUILD.

That goes for you too, mister anonymous "plz l2math" red reputation. Plz l2read, plz l2manup.
Okay, here ya go. Compared to the most recent build of yours that I could find, the only sacrifice is a loss of 10 hp/sec. The comparative benefits, according to your list of potential "sacrifices", are an extra ~1.4% +def, ~2.5% +res, ~1.9% +tohit, +2.2 mph movement speed, complete endurance sustainability without ever using CP, and ~5 points higher DPS.

As to the semantic debate, that is one of my primary hangups, especially when it's coming from someone that most people willingly accept build advice from. The manner in which you presented the information implied that any deviation from your original build, no matter how small the cost or large the benefit, was worse than the original, which is simply bad building. Encouraging bad design in that way is the reason why I "flipped out" (considering you were the one that said that it was pretty much impossible to make the attack chain sustainable without CP except by using suboptimal methods; I simply countered with math).

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg(7), Aegis-ResDam(13), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(48), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), HO:Nucle(17), Achilles-ResDeb%(17)
Level 4: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(19), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(19), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 6: Fast Healing -- Heal-I(A)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Hectmb-Dam%(11), Mako-Dam%(40)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(21), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23), SW-ResDam/Re TP(36)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(46), Zephyr-ResKB(46), Zephyr-Travel(50)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40), Zephyr-ResKB(40)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Panac-Heal/+End(A), RgnTis-Regen+(21), Panac-Heal(25), Numna-Heal(25), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(27)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(27), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), HO:Nucle(31)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(34), EndMod-I(36)
Level 22: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 24: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FotG-ResDeb%(50)
Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(33)
Level 30: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(36)
Level 32: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(37), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(37), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(42), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(45), EndMod-I(45), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(45), Mrcl-Rcvry+(46)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Strength of Will -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit



 

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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
Throwing random numbers or assertions out of a vacuum don't mean much. I could claim I have a DB/WP build lying on my HDD that does 240 DPS thanks to CP but that I don't want to share (this is a hypothetical claim, and it's sad I have to mention that). What does that accomplish ? You, as in a general "anyone who feels CP is a waste for a DB/WP AV soloer" you, want to prove your point, it's simple : POST. A. BUILD.
I was willing to PM you a build. If you so wanted. Not everyone wants builds planted on them as it removes the whole aspect of doing something for yourself. I wasn't willing to post it as its prospectively my build 2. This is not the same as saying "This is what I can get haha". There is no one upmanship here. I dislike monopolies where only a few peoples opinions matter.

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That goes for you too, mister anonymous "plz l2math" red reputation. Plz l2read, plz l2manup.
Someone imo is neg repping people as I have been neg repped. You been neg repped Werner? This can lead to tension and I understand that and it can go as far as people battling with eachother for no reason.

I'll PM you the build I came up with should you want me to, I am not one for posting stuff I wish to keep that makes my toons individual.

Here have it, you made me post it:

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(15), Numna-Heal(17), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(17), Aegis-ResDam(23), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(25)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(11), Numna-Heal(37)
Level 6: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A), Zephyr-Travel(42), LkGmblr-Rchg+(42), LkGmblr-Def(45)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 12: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(25)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal(31), Numna-Heal/Rchg(31)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-End%(21)
Level 22: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 24: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), DefBuff-I(29), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31)
Level 30: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(34), P'Shift-End%(42)
Level 32: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam(36), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(40)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(43), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(45), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(46)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(45), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46), Mrcl-Rcvry+(46)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), DefBuff-I(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+(48)
Level 49: Confront -- Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(50), Mocking-Taunt(50), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Wow, that build is insane Umbral. Very, very nice if you have a spare 10 billion lying around. I could never hope to afford some of those IOs (you have what, three PvP IOs that go for two billion each?) but I may rip off... er, adapt ... that for a more sane budget if I ever do my DB/WP Scrapper or Brute.

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>.< Bad Werner! You should never blindly trust anyone, even Arcanaville. I swear, it's like no one except for me is willing to challenge her assumptions and data on anything! Peer review dammit! Peer review!
If my recollection is correct, Werner was one of the first people (if not the first) to put "ArcanaTime" through rigorous testing to confirm or deny its predictions (on time to defeat a pylon). And he's still not convinced my best guess on recharge is correct (granted: I'm still not convinced my best guess on recharge is correct either).

(Nihilii, in this thread, is probably also unlikely to be counted among my zombie minions, although to be honest I've reconsidered some of his objections to the scrapper challenge mission, and factored them into the requirements for the next version).

I'd say that you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that undergoes a higher level of peer review on numerical postings than I do. There's just too many other players with sufficient knowledge of the game to slip things past the radar, not to mention that Stargazer forum-bot that monitors my posts for database errors and posts accurate corrections within 24 hours.

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Someone imo is neg repping people as I have been neg repped. You been neg repped Werner?
Not yet, but I'm sure it's a matter of time. Although I usually try to be diplomatic, sometimes I just lose my mind and go off. Fortunately rare. And based on the things I've heard of people being negative repped for, I could post a very helpful, informative post that was exactly what someone needed and wanted, and STILL get negative repped. Just about anything can set people off, and this is a public forum without the benefit of visual cues, tone of voice, and so on.

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If my recollection is correct, Werner was one of the first people (if not the first) to put "ArcanaTime" through rigorous testing to confirm or deny its predictions (on time to defeat a pylon). And he's still not convinced my best guess on recharge is correct (granted: I'm still not convinced my best guess on recharge is correct either).
I'm not sure if I'd call what I did rigorous. I'd been anticipating your post because some of us had been talking about the "lag" between attacks. I estimated it at about .175 seconds per attack based on the number of attacks I could get in a Build Up cycle, which wasn't too far off. I think it was Shred Monkey that said you were about to publish something on the subject.

I'm also not sure how soon I actually tested anything. I THINK I plugged it all in almost immediately to get my DPS, then ran and fought a pylon on a couple builds to see how well it worked, and it worked very well. Or maybe I already had pylon results, so I knew my true DPS, and it matched. I don't really remember.

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Not yet, but I'm sure it's a matter of time.
By process of elimination it must be you!

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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And based on the things I've heard of people being negative repped for, I could post a very helpful, informative post that was exactly what someone needed and wanted, and STILL get negative repped.
I get neg repped rather often, though I figure it's because I refuse to behave in a diplomatic manner most of the time. I thrive on my conflict! Of course, I've gotten a surprising number of neg reps even when I was behaving in a civil manner just because I assumed that people were intelligent when I was making my post. Being neg repped because I didn't dumb down some analysis is just stupid >.<

 

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Thanks for all the build posting going on - fun readthrough & gives me ideas.

I'm going for 2 builds, one build will be the BF+AV combo which allows me to add more goodies, but this 'll be a second build where alot of my time for funding will go into.
My primary build atm runs BF+AV+Sweep combo
my main means of attack is still BF+AV(+power slice occasionally)
but having that sweep combo is nice in case I need those bosses perma-kd'd and all their minions around me kd'd as it can be lifesaving every now and then.
So for the sake of endurance I'm sticking with CP on my main build, I might or might not drop it on the second build though, I guess I'll test both with and without CP.

Anyway a big thank you to dawn, umbral, nihilli, werner and all the others that posted info. I'm usually not into builds this far but as I restarted CoH recently it's actually nice getting into this.

p.s.: all of you who got neg-repped for helping me got pos-repped for helping me by me!

 

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I get neg repped rather often, though I figure it's because I refuse to behave in a diplomatic manner most of the time. I thrive on my conflict! Of course, I've gotten a surprising number of neg reps even when I was behaving in a civil manner just because I assumed that people were intelligent when I was making my post. Being neg repped because I didn't dumb down some analysis is just stupid >.<
Your posts don't need dumbing down.

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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p.s.: all of you who got neg-repped for helping me got pos-repped for helping me by me!
Your on the same server as my DB/Willpower, I know cos I've seen you and yours.

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Cool ^^

If you're on sals you've probs seen me as Valkoth on there, due to stupidity I can't change that anymore though.

Been crying about SSTF for 3 days & am close to finishing the final one, goodbye hellhole!

 

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Originally Posted by Umbral View Post
I get neg repped rather often, though I figure it's because I refuse to behave in a diplomatic manner most of the time. I thrive on my conflict! Of course, I've gotten a surprising number of neg reps even when I was behaving in a civil manner just because I assumed that people were intelligent when I was making my post. Being neg repped because I didn't dumb down some analysis is just stupid >.<
You're an interesting case, Umbral. You are EXTRAORDINARILY helpful, but you also have ZERO tolerance for teh stoopid. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people just see the second part, and don't realize what amazing help you're providing, just how much TIME you're taking to help people, and so on. So I guess it doesn't surprise me that you're getting negative repped, but it still bothers me. In my book, you should have a massive positive rep by now.

Ah, well. I figure the rep thing is practically a joke anyway. I'll trust people based on my personal experience with them, but I guess that doesn't work for anyone new.

Sorry for drifting off topic, dume.

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ahhh... hmmm... ok so stupid question here... what do I need for AV combo...




totally dislike DB...