Phasing scrappers


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This is a videogame. There's no such thing as "honor" or "cowardice" here. "Respect" for other players is covered by the terms of the EULA. There's no clause in the EULA that says "don't phase if you're about to die" or "don't use inspirations."
the eula doesn't say u r a noub, but ur still a noub. so poof, u got disproved just leiik that get wreK. insp and phase is for bad ppver noubs who rnt strong enough to stand and fight like el chido 1 or super deveron


 

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Does that mean you won?
Yes. Noub.


 

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Holy ****, learn to multi-quote or at least put your thoughts in one coherent post instead of splitting up every paragraph into a new post.

many posts for many noubs. u learn 2 not use phsae shift in ppv action battle fight


 

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For ***** sake were you born in the early 1900's, honor seriosly?
no noub then i wuld be like 100 ears old wow ur dumb. let me tel u a story about 1 time when i was ppv i RV - this noub guy came and used insp and tried 2 kill me but nowai i am champion

what u think of that? ur head is probbly explode cus ur some guy who thinks 100 year olds play vdieo gamse and u probably wear big hats that u think r cool but they rnt cool so BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOOOOOOOSH get wrek liek binocular without lense


 

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if someone is chasing me and i'm about to die, i don't care if i *could* kite and survive.
hey dumb noub. kite and evade is 2 different things i know cus i am champion and u r dumb noub. and y u r make so many post - u should just make 1 post and say "Hey im dumb noub who is bad ppver and makes alot of bad posts" what noub. now i bet u r going 2 be like "hey u have cap lock name" Yeah noub i have cap lock name - big letters for big deek BOOM BOOM BAM! get wrek


 

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Nah nah, it obvious who the better player or better character is in that situation.

Kinda like Mac and his bunny scrapper fighting vinces cold/dark cor lol
hey noub. 1 more thing: ur a noub. oh wait 1 more thing again. its obvious who better player is: me, cus i am champion and u r noub. also noub u dont know vince, unles u mean vincent balmont - and if u mean vincent balmont he is noub i am defeat him very easy he is even use wolf form and i am defeat him cus he is noub and i am champion.

tl;dr - u r noub and i am champion, also i bet ur a horse diaper IRL cus horses arnt potty trained so they use u 4 the diaper and the horse poops on ur fase get wrek again! double wrek! get wrek + get wreK = double wrek

tl;dr again hey noub ur a noub fat **** **** ****


 

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still don't get it do you, there is NO DEATH IN THIS GAME SO ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF. Sorry I don't like doing that but it was neccesary. And what moron in their rite mind wouldn't at least pick up the temp phase from warburg. Its not a matter of need it's a matter of ability to do so. Why not take 1 more option if it is indeed an option.

Although temp phase is easy to get, there is a limit to the # of times you can get it.

because have the instinct to run when they are going to lose because they have the feeling they are going to die. Virtual or not, it's human nature to want to keep surviving.


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yes actually it does actually the avatars they are playing are NOT REAL. And respect, honor, cowardice are all over rated in RL.

For ***** sake were you born in the early 1900's, honor seriosly?
Honor exists, no doubt to that.


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Mac, you're devoting too much of your time to this idiot. It's not worth it because his mentality towards PvP won't change.

neither will macs, and most likely neither will yours. I don't think there's anything someone could say to change my opinion because i've put a lot of thought into, at the same time i like hearing both sides of the arguement.


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hey u noub ur noub big fat noub face weak liek jiggly puff no talak k noub? y dont u cahnge ur mentality for ppv and then we can see how big ur cup of water is LOLOLOL get wrek
I'd act like an idiot to impersonate you as well, but i wouldn't know how to start.

Well first of all, i like to think i can spell words. IF a particular word comes up that i do not know the spelling for i will, infact, look it up.

I've never called anyone here a noob, simply because they arn't. They opinion on the game doesn't affect how good they are. Noob is someone who is stupid. Newb is someone who's unknowledgeable. I havn't seen anyone on here that's either, with the possible exception of you.


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no noub then i wuld be like 100 ears old wow ur dumb. let me tel u a story about 1 time when i was ppv i RV - this noub guy came and used insp and tried 2 kill me but nowai i am champion

what u think of that? ur head is probbly explode cus ur some guy who thinks 100 year olds play vdieo gamse and u probably wear big hats that u think r cool but they rnt cool so BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOOOOOOOSH get wrek liek binocular without lense

Actually when the "born in early 1900's" was thrown at me, i didn't take it literally, as nobody should.


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I get the funny feeling that Sentry and that new reg'd - i'm on a trial account, I can't spell noob guy, is the same person....

The incapability to do multiple quotes gave it away.


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I'd act like an idiot to impersonate you as well, but i wouldn't know how to start.

Well first of all, i like to think i can spell words. IF a particular word comes up that i do not know the spelling for i will, infact, look it up.

I've never called anyone here a noob, simply because they arn't. They opinion on the game doesn't affect how good they are. Noob is someone who is stupid. Newb is someone who's unknowledgeable. I havn't seen anyone on here that's either, with the possible exception of you.
hey noub ur say u can spell correct but y dont u try and use capitalizate? also ur use commas in places they r not need 2 go

so i hafe an idea. why dont u take a vacation in the freezer so u become a popsicle and that guy who needed 2 eat dinosaurs wont starve 2 death


 

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hey noub. 1 more thing: ur a noub. oh wait 1 more thing again. its obvious who better player is: me, cus i am champion and u r noub. also noub u dont know vince, unles u mean vincent balmont - and if u mean vincent balmont he is noub i am defeat him very easy he is even use wolf form and i am defeat him cus he is noub and i am champion.

tl;dr - u r noub and i am champion, also i bet ur a horse diaper IRL cus horses arnt potty trained so they use u 4 the diaper and the horse poops on ur fase get wrek again! double wrek! get wrek + get wreK = double wrek

tl;dr again hey noub ur a noub fat **** **** ****


Lastly, if any of my messages were like yours, i'd be as bad as those i call jerks. I don't like playing the name game, i perfer to speak the true instead of making something up, making a joke about someone or simply calling them a noob.

Although me relating this game to real life is a pattern i seem to be following. Good job there.


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Actually when the "born in early 1900's" was thrown at me, i didn't take it literally, as nobody should.
hey sorry noub i dont speek noub u shoud get a translatr so i can understand u oh wait nm i dont want to lisen cus ur a noub so dont get a translatr

where dose the mouse go? IN UR NOSE NOUB GET WREK AGAIN


 

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I get the funny feeling that Sentry and that new reg'd - i'm on a trial account, I can't spell noob guy, is the same person....

The incapability to do multiple quotes gave it away.
I'm pretty sure I know who that is, and it's not Sentry.


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"Skill" is evasion, knowing what powers to use when, good inspiration management, but most importantly the ability to perform a role really well in a variety of situations (good Blaster, good Emp, good Tanker, good Stalker, etc.). Ultimately duels are meaningless as long as the rock/paper/scissors mechanic exists and the only measure of performance is the ability to do well in a team situation in a given role. For example, I don't duel often even though I have some characters capable of it, because I'm much more comfortable in a team situation playing a squishy when I know the entire other team will be gunning for me (I usually play an Emp or support-spec'd Therm). In a dueling situation, kill:death ratio is all that matters because there's no other way to win a duel. For example, next time I duel one of your toons (if I ever decide I'm feeling bored and need a laugh) I'll just damage you until you hit a heal, and then say "You had to heal, I win" and then quit the match. However, the system will give you the win since I quit early. Does that mean you won? Heck no - you had to heal, therefore I win!

(See how stupid faulty logic is?)

Regarding "cheap tactics," you'll find that the GMs are in support of us, and not you - in short anything goes in PvP short of utilizing geometry exploits. You put toggle debuffs on me and I run into a group of NPCs, which aggro on you and kill you? Too bad, fair game. I have a team and you're solo, and we kill you? Too bad, fair game. I drone you? Too bad, fair game. Ironically, you're the one talking about "cowardice" and "honor" - aren't you the one who uses a flying AR/EM Blaster who uses Boost Range + TP Foe to teleport people into midair and snipe them, and then TP away if you get grounded? But, for you that's okay, because "he wouldn't be able to kill anything the normal way" (your words, not mine) and because "anything goes" (in my words), yet it's ironic that you're perfectly okay with such tactics yet when someone uses phase, it's the end of the ****** world.


Because something will go wrong and require you to need it (or wish you'd had it). My clicks might be recharging when I take a sudden burst of damage on my Regen, or my health might be dropping and my team's nowhere near me on my SR. I might just be taking too much damage, or get into a situation where I'm at risk of dying. I'll phase because it will stop me from dying, which will buy me time for my teammates to get there or for the situation to change so I have the upper hand. In a duel situation, I've got Phase for the occasions where my heals aren't ready and/or my opponent is outdamaging my regen when IH is running.


This is a videogame. There's no such thing as "honor" or "cowardice" here. "Respect" for other players is covered by the terms of the EULA. There's no clause in the EULA that says "don't phase if you're about to die" or "don't use inspirations." When I'm playing an FPS like Call of Duty, I don't give a rat's *** that there's someone at the other end of the screen. I'm there to win and short of network manipulation everything's fair game. In an RTS like Halo Wars, the same deal goes - I'll rush my opponent at the start before he can build up his defenses, because if he doesn't prepare for all potential outcomes, he deserves to lose. Or I'll turtle and then overwhelm him with heavy units, and again, he deserves to lose for not taking the initiative beforehand. I don't care who's at the other console - I'm just some pixels on a screen trying to fight other pixels on a screen and not die. Same holds true here.


The AR/EM is like my ele/therm. Neither take skill and are easy if built right.

Agent Four (AR/EM) is basically my hero side Possessed Prowler. No matter how many villains there are, i can pick them off one by one. When, say, my friend is on his hero, and i want to play with him, but there are 20 villains and only him on his blaster, i break out Agent four, because anything else would be useless. Agent four does teleport away a lot, and for some reason everyone thinks i have a base buffer TPing me (and i don't, globals can check my team i usually solo). But that's because he's a weak toon and a coward.

Also, he's my hero side prowler, and i play him almost the exact same way....fly/tp and everything, except he's ranged. One of the people who taught me about pvp when it first came out was AGENT 4, an AR/dev blaster on champion, he was the first on the server to perfect the trip mine, TP foe tactic. I made the toon out of respect for him, since when i came back, he was gone.

I don't agree with the logic at the top at all, there have been times where i completly beat on someone, quit early because of the long timer and it said they won. If the other person was reasonable they would know that i actually won the fight.

Does your idea of dueling not include heals now? I have seem some (usually tied) matches like that, WP always dominates unless someone is dark melee or hits unstoppable.

Either way, if you quit early because i had to heal and said you won, you'd be a noob, and i would too if i did the same thing, and that's one reason, hopefully, neither of us would do that, because we know better. Don't try to seperate us as much as possible, we play the same game, just different opinions and tactics.

Do you even want the GMs on your side after what castle did? Until they fix pvp i don't care about their opinions on PvP.

Agent 4 is a squishy, this thread is about phasing scrappers, which i only disapprove of if used in a completly defensive way. If Agent Four was to duel someone (even though he wouldn't, i RP him and he's an Agent like that) and to survive i had to constantly run and/or phase, i wouldn't. At least, once i learned that i had no chance of winning and phase was just making the match longer, i would stop. And when i got to low health i would stay and fight, like a samurai.

If your enemy is killing you through IH your doing something wrong. I've played a regen long enough to know how to slot it correctly. Your supposed to use DP and IH together, because IH will only make you invincible (in a 1v1) if Dull pain is on the entire time to give the giant regen boost. IH increases ur regen based on the amoutn of health you have, so it's basic to use it with Dull pain.

I use to use it with MoG when i was low health, so by the time it wore off i would be full and still hve IH on, but without Dull pain on the Entire Time, IH won't be enough.

Of course they wouldn't ask you not to use inspirations or phase. If they didn't want you using them they wouldn't give them too you. And i can bet there are some things they didn't want you using so they never gave them to you. They give you the "option" of playing with those things...i never read anything like "you need to hit phase if your hp is dropping" or "use inspirations anytime you have them" either.

Hey my favourite was the Zerg rush back in the day, i always tried making it better. The Zerg rush or whichever rush you have in the newer halo game is an awesome tactic. Because they need to make a rush of their own or build up their defenses, which is a pain because you want more of the miners so you can build up larger later. Really i think the rush is beautiful, even if you don't rush, they need to prepare for one. It makes the game a lot more fun, but i don't think inspirations do.

It is simply pixies fighting pixies. But once communication comes into play it's much more complex then that.


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I get the funny feeling that Sentry and that new reg'd - i'm on a trial account, I can't spell noob guy, is the same person....

The incapability to do multiple quotes gave it away.

haha good observation, but no, it isn't me. If i had the power to create another account, i would silently back up my own opinions while sounding more "sane" to you guys, therefore creating a bridge between us, hopefully making some of you see it my way and vice-versa.

I enjoy making master plans but calling myself a noob isn't involved in any of them.

Also hes probably not quoting others to impersonate me. If someone taught me, and it was convenient enough, i wouldn't mind doing it.


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But that's because he's a weak toon and a coward.
Ah, so your "weak coward" label applies directly to the toons, not to the players playing them? Well why didn't you say so? That's fine, I can admit that all my toons are cowards if you'd like. They don't actually exist, since they're part of a video game, so calling them cowards doesn't offend me. Glad we got that all cleared up.

Just don't call my blaster a coward. He'll get mad and...oh wait no, he doesn't actually exist, so he won't care.


 

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I agree, but if we agree before the match no acco's no insps and then he goes over that, it's a bit un fair. Not that I care now I was more interested to here peoples opinions on phasing scrappers :P
It's not a bit unfair it is completely unfair plain and simple. By definition breaking agreed upon rules is unfair.


 

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If i need to use phase to survive in a duel there's no chance of me winning, that's why instead of picking it up i got some offensive powers....the ones that will help me win.

You earn accolades with hard work. Using them is fine. It's like saying to someone you won't duel them because they have a lot of experience using their toon and have spent a great deal perfecting them. Personally my regen chain wouldn't be complete without demonic (whatever the hero version is). The minute gives enough time for recon, MoG and DP, which stalls until IH for the second time. It's basically an extra life to me, and that's why i milked those illusionists in PI for a good 10 hours.

Now you could argue, but phase would give you more time to heal etc. Yes, well it gives them time too. If with demonic i couldn't attack back, i wouldn't use it.....i get an extra minute but so do they, and unless they used unstoppable or IH, all it does is prolong the loss...or tie.

Con don't u have that taunting ss/fire brute with phase? I never understood that. Basically, if your using phase your almost 100% of the time running with it on....meaning you don't have a chance of killing anyone.

Are people so inherently afraid of death that they will do anything to survive, even though dieing has no downside except for losing all your end and most of your hp, as well as being teleported near the entrance. I dont know about you guys but it only takes me about 15 seconds to get back into battle from the hosp.

i'd rather give the person killing me a chance for a recipe then look like a coward, afraid of something that doesn't matter.



Overall i don't mind phase as long as it's not just preventing me from getting a recipe/rep, but being used in some offensive way that may end up being the death of me. It would be hard to not hit phase if your about to die, but if it's just going to prolong the losing fight, might as well be friendly and give the person a chance at a recipe instead of making them frustrated. I'm usually nice to people.

Of course if you dislike the person for a good reason, or if they had a large ego and said they could kill you. By all means frustrate them and don't let them get what they want.
I am not normally vocal on this matter, everyone to them selves and all that but frankly Sentry your posts are embarrassing, Its irrelevant if you dont like the person or not, you try to win all the time no? Its a video game for goodness sake, there is no such thing as cowardness or honour, i play in my spare time to enjoy the satisfaction of defeating/competing against another person across the world/country who enjoy's the game as much as i do, while playing to the rules the game allows, makes sense no?

There is absolutely no benefit in creating arbitury rules in which to follow, all it will do is hinder your progression in something you enjoy.


 

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There is absolutely no benefit in creating arbitury rules in which to follow, all it will do is hinder your progression in something you enjoy.
This is one of the biggest reasons the fiteklub mentality makes no sense to me (another reason is the entitlement - "I should be able to duel in an open PvP zone, why do you keep interrupting me!?"). You might think you're becoming a better player by not using inspirations, kiting, or phasing/hibernating, but all you're doing is limiting your options and narrowing the scope of what is "acceptable" to the point where you're no longer advancing in skill level. Essentially, you're handicapping yourself by refusing to use all the tools available to you.

Imagine forming a team of like-minded people who don't kite, use inspirations, or use phase/hibernate, and then enter that team in the test PvP ladder (we'll assume for the purposes of this exercise that there is a test ladder, even though that's no longer the case). You would get absolutely destroyed by even the worst teams on that ladder.


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Originally Posted by YO SON I GOT DORITOS View Post
hey sorry noub i dont speek noub u shoud get a translatr so i can understand u oh wait nm i dont want to lisen cus ur a noub so dont get a translatr

where dose the mouse go? IN UR NOSE NOUB GET WREK AGAIN
Chido that you?lol


 

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chido that you?lol
lmfao