Would Maneuvers be worth it here?
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BlackBellatrix,
Posted on: 2009-10-10 09:18 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I would definately say it is worth taking Maneuvers, fully slotted it is ~5% for a defender and ~4% for a controller so that is 14% defence which works out at your whole team taking 28% less damage - so well worth it!
Bubbles however can add ~30% to defence, so the two Rad defenders will be very close to the defence softcap, and I would think therefore it will be a better choice.
However; Sonic has a lot more going for it than just the shields, whereas FF doesn't really. I would seriously consider taking FF instead, but the sets are so different playstyle wise I would make that choice based on what you enjoy most.
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A well built FF defender can basically soft cap the entire team. It's all up to you, because the Sonic would bring more to the table in certain situations.
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I vote no. With the amount of -to hit you'll be leveraging with RI stacked with the defense from Manuevers, the resist from Sonic will give you a lot better mitigation.
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Originally Posted by Robert_B
Also, given the maneuvers question, should I switch Sonic for FF? and make my team +Def based rather then +Res/+def? Sonic has some nice -res but the best buff in the set (the one that radiates out a -res aura around a teammate) is kinda useless since my team is mostly ranged, yes the plant pet sometimes runs in, and I prefer plant (seeds is the best power evah!) over any other troller.
As for what I want to do with the team, mostly just radio mish's, the odd TF (I have rad's debuffs for that) and no farming. Thanks all. |
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Just pointing out you're comparing fully slotted Maneuvers to unslotted Fortitude.
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Originally Posted by Robert_B
... and if I run 3x Maneuvers on my team I get ALMOST the same defense that Fort gives,
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Well, yea, but again, It the best I can do with the power thats there |
Originally Posted by StarGeek
Just pointing out you're comparing fully slotted Maneuvers to unslotted Fortitude.
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Yea, I thank everyone for there input, I think I'll stick to sonic |
Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I vote no. With the amount of -to hit you'll be leveraging with RI stacked with the defense from Manuevers, the resist from Sonic will give you a lot better mitigation.
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Absolutely. In fact, with effective use of slotted RI, you may not even need Manuevers. RI is 31.25% base on a Defender. The effects of the purple patch can be cut by slotting it heavily (fully slotted it reaches 48.75%), and you'll be applying it twice. A Sonic will give you much more benefit, pushing you closer towards 99% mitigation.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I vote no. With the amount of -to hit you'll be leveraging with RI stacked with the defense from Manuevers, the resist from Sonic will give you a lot better mitigation.
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yea.... except.|
Originally Posted by NeverDark
Absolutely. In fact, with effective use of slotted RI, you may not even need Manuevers. RI is 31.25% base on a Defender. The effects of the purple patch can be cut by slotting it heavily (fully slotted it reaches 48.75%), and you'll be applying it twice. A Sonic will give you much more benefit, pushing you closer towards 99% mitigation.
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I wasn't really planning on taking RI on both, rather take RI on one, EF on the other and one of them take the slow, I dunno if I really need TWO RI's, doing just radio mish's and the odd TF?
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Oh, c'mon! Take all three on both. There's no kill like overkill!
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Originally Posted by Robert_B
yea.... except.
I wasn't really planning on taking RI on both, rather take RI on one, EF on the other and one of them take the slow, I dunno if I really need TWO RI's, doing just radio mish's and the odd TF? |
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That's what the new difficulty options are for. +2/x8 and you'll be getting use out of two RIs and EFs.
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Originally Posted by Robert_B
yea.... except.
I wasn't really planning on taking RI on both, rather take RI on one, EF on the other and one of them take the slow, I dunno if I really need TWO RI's, doing just radio mish's and the odd TF? |
Hey everyone,
Ok, first the team set up. 2 Rad/Archer fender's with a Plant/Sonic troller.
Now, with the 2 Rad/xx toons I have perma AM by level 12 or so, without having to spend lots of INF or even get hasten, and while I like AM as a buff I really miss Empathy's Fortitude buff.
So I could of course leverage Leaderships buffs (Tactics) to add in the +acc that Fortitude gives but AM doesn't, and if I run 3x Maneuvers on my team I get ALMOST the same defense that Fort gives, but the question is, since I am going to have Sonic's shields up 100% of the time (both the single target ones and the team one), should I even bother with running maneuvers at all?
I guess mathematically it would help as any added defense helps a bit, and since the troller gets the least as far as shields go (not getting the targeted buffs) I wonder if it's worth it?
Also, given the maneuvers question, should I switch Sonic for FF? and make my team +Def based rather then +Res/+def? Sonic has some nice -res but the best buff in the set (the one that radiates out a -res aura around a teammate) is kinda useless since my team is mostly ranged, yes the plant pet sometimes runs in, and I prefer plant (seeds is the best power evah!) over any other troller.
As for what I want to do with the team, mostly just radio mish's, the odd TF (I have rad's debuffs for that) and no farming.
Thanks all.