Mind/ and IO proc ?'s

So... It's been a long time since I've seen any mind controllers, so rather than making the psychic blaster I was about to make, I'm looking in to mind.

From what i've read, mind lacks damage and, by end game does not compare to other sets except perhaps in variety of hard control.

So, given mind has a good many diverse area control powers, I'd be interested to hear how slotting multiple exotic procs across the board would effect damage, worthwhile? I'd imagine Mind's awesomesauce potential could be reached at a much more affordable price due to pricing of things like sleep/confuse/fear.

Or does it still come up lacking? (I'm not talking fire/kin numbers in comparison either).

Mind/ does lack dmg since it only has three damaging attacks which are all ST(Dominate,Levitate,Mesmerize). It does, however, have Mass Confusion to make the enemies dmg themselves. Unfortunately that you don't get anything out of it if they kill each other and you don't dmg them. I suppose slotting dmg procs into Mass Confusion and Terrify could up the AoE dmg. In the end it will still come up lacking in the dmg department since it sacrifices dmg for control.

I'd say if you are looking for dmg then go with the blaster but if you want good control with decent ST dmg then go with the troller.

One way to make up for the lack of damage - particularly at later levels - is by going with the Mind/Trick Arrow/Fire combo.

Ive recently gotten mine to lvl 50 and the combo of Mass Hypnosis (while stealthed) - Oil Slick Arrow - Disruption Arrow - Fireball - Terrify means I can get through a mob like a hot knife through butter! And OLS and DA dont cause agro as the mob is asleep!

It will wipe out minions very quickly and take huge chunks out of Lts. Ive got a damage proc in Terrify.

The other Procs I use in my build are the chance of +2 mag hold (2 in dominate, 1 in ice arrow, 1 mass domination, 1 in EMP arrow) along with the Contagious Confusion and Chance to Plactate purple ones. I am going to be adding the Chance of Self Heal Sandman one soon to.

EDIT- I forgot to say that although brilliant at later levels it can be slow at earlier levels due to lack of damage

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That does sound nice, it'd also be a way to set a little more containment (TA).

Does confuse also keep them from running off the patch? I've noticed they don't really react to anything like normal when confused.

Sigh, so much bad advice.

Terrify is a great damaging cone IF you slot it for DAMAGE.

Hell, slot everything for damage (and recharge).

See, here's the thing, Mind does NOT lack damage; it lacks a pet. So up until level 32, you have about the best damage of every single controller (4 attacks, 'natch). After that, all the other Controllers get access to helpers.

Though it also lacks steady Containment, and that becomes an issue in the mid to high levels. That's not anything you're going to help with procs; instead, you want as much recharge and accuracy as possible so that Total Dom is up every fight (and actually hits things), or close to it.

Slot like a blaster, play like a blaster, and any damage issues become not as apparent. Play and slot as a controller, and, well, yeah, your damage is gonna suck.

Terrify is actually the only power that really drew me to the set, the cone damage/fear seems like a unique attack that could do decent damage.

And I will be playing this one for damage rather than hard control, I had psychic concepts in mind, and prefer this to blasting. Anyone able to give agreement towards TA as a secondary? (thermal which I started with on second glance seems totally over shadowed by other sets)

/Storm just doesnt work for me, so that's out for damage
/everything else other than TA doesn't seem to supplement damage much unless I'm missing something...
So /TA, does it get to be fun? (I remember it being kind of underwhelming on my Ice/TA... but that could just be the Ice/ talking

<I wish I could stand the drab colors of villainside..., It may be that dominator is what I'm really looking for, it's tempting if TA doesn't give enough damage in reality>

I dunno, it seems to me that mass hypnosis > fulcrum shift > terrify would put out some serious AoE dmg for a controller. Yeah, it would take a while to get there, but still.

I play a lot of controllers and I've never really lacked for damage. Well, OK, the grav/FF I leveled to 50 pre-containment lacked some damage. But nowadays if you slot your ST immob and ST hold for damage (or in mind's case swap immob for sleep) you get 2 respectable blasts. The base durations on those powers is pretty beefy, so you won't really be giving up much control. Mind also gets levitate which does really nice containment damage. AND you get the aforementioned terrify.