try grabbing up on a lock down: chance for +mag 2 hold and maybe a basilisk's gaze: chance for -rech =D
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Choking Cloud
- Basilisk's Gaze - Chance for Recharge Slow
- Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
- Endurance Reduction IO
- Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold
In addition to the two mentioned above, there are Ghost Widow's Embrace Chance for Psionic Damage (20-50) and Neuronic Shutdown Chance for Psionic DoT (10-30). There's also (probably priced way outside your budget) the purple Unbreakable Constraint Chance for Smashing Damage.
I found I had the most trouble with endurance, as CC is a huge endurance hog, and I slotted to reduce it first before putting in any procs. The first three slots I used Lockdown Acc/End/Rech/Hold & End/Rech/Hold with Essence of Curare End/Hold frankenslotted. This really boosts the Hold duration and cuts the endurance down a lot, while giving a bit of recharge bonus in case you need to drop it for a while to recover endurance and bring it back up for the next fight. I'll might put the LD +2 mag hold followed by the BG -rech next.
(Edited to add: There is no accuracy component in CC, so you'll want to avoid/minimize any IO's with an accuracy component.)
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AFAIK, it has to do a to-hit check, so while you cannot directly slot pure accuracy, sets with an Acc component do make it hit more reliably. |
Originally Posted by perwira
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(Edited to add: There is no accuracy component in CC, so you'll want to avoid/minimize any IO's with an accuracy component.) |
I haven't tested this for about a year, but I don't think they can change this behavior so ealisy without removing the to-hit check.
If they HAVE change it, I'd sure like a reference.
-Morty
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As far as I know, you are correct about the tohit check. Split purpose IOs are the way to go to increase accuracy. I should think Acc/End IOs would be very popular for this power. Using Procs is a good way to go, too; damage with the hold make Choking Cloud formidable. Needless to say, the more slots you can spare for choking cloud, the more you will appreciate its value.
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Originally Posted by Norty_Morty
AFAIK, it has to do a to-hit check, so while you cannot directly slot pure accuracy, sets with an Acc component do make it hit more reliably.
I haven't tested this for about a year, but I don't think they can change this behavior so ealisy without removing the to-hit check. If they HAVE change it, I'd sure like a reference. -Morty |
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The flip side of that is that using Rad Infection, means that for most mobs CC is going to be at the to-hit cap even without any +acc.
Mine is slotted 3 end re 3 hold right now. I'll be spending some time on getting this character IO-ed out soon.
I'll be looking to franken slot for end/hold mainly, then add the damage procs.
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Ok, thanks for that. I did a search for some other threads that discussed this and found a few that you had also contributed to, that give more detail:|
Originally Posted by Psylenz
As far as I know, you are correct about the tohit check. Split purpose IOs are the way to go to increase accuracy. I should think Acc/End IOs would be very popular for this power. Using Procs is a good way to go, too; damage with the hold make Choking Cloud formidable. Needless to say, the more slots you can spare for choking cloud, the more you will appreciate its value.
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I didn't realize that it was this complicated! Thanks for the tip.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
The flip side of that is that using Rad Infection, means that for most mobs CC is going to be at the to-hit cap even without any +acc.
Mine is slotted 3 end re 3 hold right now. I'll be spending some time on getting this character IO-ed out soon. I'll be looking to franken slot for end/hold mainly, then add the damage procs. |
Any -def debuffs / + to-hit buffs going on add very noticeably to the CCloud to-hit rate.
I wouldn't go that far though; Infection alone won't cap the to-hit.
Now, CC + Infection + Aim + Irradiate = massively choking mob!
Not sure what secondary you or the OP is using. YMMV.
CCloud is for the Defender that likes to play in-close and personal. If not, then CCloud isn't doing much for you.
That being said, I fully agree with Psylenz, and further... IF you take CCLoud, it's a 6-slotter or nothing.
The combo of ENDREDUX, Hold and (some) acc is still nice. (IMHO)
If you can fit a proc or 2 after that, yoowza!
-Morty
Good ideas, and thanks for sharing them. I was already leaning towards the chance to hold. I think once I get towards the end game i will evaluate the budget and see If i can get the pruple damage procs. If i can ill squeeze in the extra slots for that and Ghost Widow and have it as both a damage and a control.
Thanks again for all the info. I understand the "mechanics" of the power a little more now.
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This is actualy going to be a Dark/Rad Corruptor... I find that I get more helpful information when posting on the Defender forums though so I came here.
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Not sure what secondary you or the OP is using. YMMV.
-Morty |
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This is actualy going to be a Dark/Rad Corruptor...
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With Dark blast you get lots of -tohit debuff, not much -def debuff, so some Acc in CCloud would work to your favor.
Also, the 2 mad cones in Dark blast... they are... cones.
Not so great for standing in the middle of a mob where teh Cloud can do it's dirtywork.
But hey, to each their own!On that note... 3 damage procs in TTentacles = FUN.
-Morty
Amazingly enough, on my Rad/Elec Defender, I got this brilliant idea to drop a damage proc into my Choking Cloud since I had it overloaded with Hold IOs...I found a relatively cheap (15 million) Unbreakable Constraint: Chance for Smashing damage and dropped it in. It does almost as much damage as my Defender's Lightning Bolt....
That's my recommendation; Unbreakable Constraint: Chance for Smashing Damage. Free moderate damage... 
I am working on a Rad that I will be playing on a high damage team that is made up of me and some friends of mine. My question is, is there a way to slot Choking Cloud with procs that will make it an effective power on a team that already has great damage and pretty good control?