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You got it, if you want to you slot Brawl now that it has no endurance cost and use it as a filler attack.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
BS has terrible numbers... well, terrible DPA, anyway. On the upside, it recharges super fast and has a low end cost, but seriously, it does Brawl level DPA. So what's a typical early attack chain for Spines? Lunge > Impale > Lunge, SB whenever up, and wait for Ripper? Boxing as an early filler (taking Tough & Weave anyway)?
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I'm interested in this, too. I took Air Superiority, on my baby Spines scrappers, but I'm curious what the "common wisdom" is on these boards.|
Originally Posted by dave_p
BS has terrible numbers... well, terrible DPA, anyway. On the upside, it recharges super fast and has a low end cost, but seriously, it does Brawl level DPA. So what's a typical early attack chain for Spines? Lunge > Impale > Lunge, SB whenever up, and wait for Ripper? Boxing as an early filler (taking Tough & Weave anyway)?
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Air Sup works as an opener before lunge>Impale and the knockdown mitigates damage.
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Spine burst - Lunge - brawl - Lunge
Lunge at 1
Spine Burst at 2
Impale at 8
Barb Swipe - ugh, never take it. If you have to take a filler power, air superiority (or boxing) at 6 and then you can respec out of it later (or keep it) then wait for ripper at 26.
Barbed Swipe is one of (if not the) worst st attack out there...
Barb Swipe
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So, it does a total of ~56 dmg (using this formula for terminating dots, double checked vs Arcana's, sorry Werner!), with a cast time of 2.64 (ArcanaTime modified). The final DPA is ~21.2157.|
Cast time 2.43 seconds * 2 * 12.51 Lethal damage over 0.60 seconds PvE only * 18.77 Lethal damage (after 1.1 second delay) PvE only 3 * 6.26 Toxic damage over 2.10 seconds (after 0.5 second delay) (80% chance) |
Brawl deals 22.52 dmg with a cast time of 1.056 (ArcanaTime modified), for a final DPA of ~21.3257.
So, Barbed Swipe costs a power slot, has the same DPA of Brawl, costs end, and has a longer cast time (locking you out of better attacks, further hindering your DPS). What does it have over Brawl? It recharges in 1.5s instead of 2s, and it has the following slows:
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Keep in mind, that vet reward powers really help at low levels, Sands of Mu (for the cone) especially.
[edit: This was meant as a response to Local_Man.]
at current, the only use for Barb Swipe is that it is insane in PvP ... remember in PvP the longer the attack animation is, the more damage it does
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It's actually overrated there too. Barb swipe does about 147 damage base in PvP whereas flurry does 193 (for scrappers). Flurry does have a longer activation time but if you're going to go with something that will root you for that long, you might as well pick the power that does more damage.
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Originally Posted by Morbid Star
at current, the only use for Barb Swipe is that it is insane in PvP ... remember in PvP the longer the attack animation is, the more damage it does
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Years ago I looked at Barb Swipe and I found it to be a great little attack for people leveling up until their first respec. The end cost/cast time was less than your end recovery so you could quite almost literally keep that toon attacking which to the new player could of meant less down time and more fun.
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You can survive on AoE. But I encourage getting Hasten early. Barb Swipe is one of the very worst powers in the whole game.
People think Gale sucks (I love Gale personally), but Barb Swipe makes Gale look like a giant red WIN button.
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BS has terrible numbers... well, terrible DPA, anyway. On the upside, it recharges super fast and has a low end cost, but seriously, it does Brawl level DPA. So what's a typical early attack chain for Spines? Lunge > Impale > Lunge, SB whenever up, and wait for Ripper? Boxing as an early filler (taking Tough & Weave anyway)?
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