Generic Names...


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I just got one of my toons Gen'd because of his name and i was just curious as to wether or not i can contest it and where would the right place be to do this?

Any and all help is appreciated.
Thx



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There are ways to contest a name generic. You can /petition from the character and write a brief summery that will open up a dialogue between yourself and some support staff, of you can visit http://support.plaync.com and file a petition there.

Depending on the name in question, there is a chance to get a name back. If it's anything trademarked, is a real life (living or dead) celebrity, any historical figure, a "tribute" name that's spelled differently but can be considered violatiing a trademark or copyright, or anything that the GM's deem innapropriate or offensive, the chances of getting the name back is close to nill.

But try either method listed. You might get lucky.


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You should have received an email concerning this. I haven't experienced it myself, but I think that they give instructions in the email on how to offer a rebuttal if you felt the genericing was inappropriate.

Just out of curiosity, what was the name?


 

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any historical figure
I don't get the prohibition on historical figures. Never have. Are they worried about being sued by the estate of Alexander the Great?


 

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or anything that the GM's deem innapropriate or offensive, the chances of getting the name back is close to nill.
What they find offensive could be quite literally anything, what with how PC everything has to be now-adays..


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Just out of curiosity, what was the name?
Burnin Bud...I also have Blazing Bud, Brutal Bud, Blackened Bud, Belligerent Bud...All of which have been 50 for months now...

*sigh*



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Burnin Bud...I also have Blazing Bud, Brutal Bud, Blackened Bud, Belligerent Bud...All of which have been 50 for months now...

*sigh*
Why do I get the feeling some idiot decided that was some sort of drug reference and decided to petition you?

This sounds like one that is definitely worth contesting. Good luck.


 

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Why do I get the feeling some idiot decided that was some sort of drug reference and decided to petition you?

This sounds like one that is definitely worth contesting. Good luck.

A coupler SG mates thought the same, we had a bit o' drama a lil while back so that could be it.

Thx for the help.



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Why do I get the feeling some idiot decided that was some sort of drug reference and decided to petition you?

This sounds like one that is definitely worth contesting. Good luck.
Although I can kind of see someone questioning it. Burnin Bud, Stoned Templars SG, and what looks to be hemp leaves in your avatar on the board. One could easily mistake it to be drug references, even not seeing your avatar.

I personally could care less about those names though. My undies don't bunch that easily. But I can see someone mistaking it for that.


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My undies don't bunch that easily.
^ This.
Cmon people! There was toon runnin around on champ for months with the name Benumbed Nutz and it didnt get Gen'd, the player quit iirc.

But oh wells, the petition has been sent..
Only thing left to do is wait for the respose to tell me to please stop bothering them..



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I don't get the prohibition on historical figures. Never have. Are they worried about being sued by the estate of Alexander the Great?
I believe this goes back to the old days when Cryptic ran the show. They didn't want people to use historical names for two reasons:

1.) Taking on the fame and noteriety of someone else. - It's kind of like the celebrity thing. Plus, the historical person in question may/may not have been someone that not everyone can agree on as being "politically correct."

While some may not have a reason to be offended that you took on the persona of Abraham Lincoln, some may be offended taking on the persona of someone that may have committed atrocious acts on multitudes of people. Instead of saying, "Well, that historical figure is okay and that other is not," they just said no to all.

2.) Historical Figures may have an "industry" trademark - Meaning that somewhere along the line, a film, television, comic book company made a variation of the historical figure that they could file a trademark on. If your character turns out to violate the industry trademark, NCsoft would be held liable.

I'm sure there were many other reasons... mostly creating a character where your "Mary Sue" from the beginning without having to prove yourself by your actions. Taking on the persona of someone else that's already famous/well known is sure to stir up trouble with the players.


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I do hope the villain I saw quite some time ago called "Socrates Loses It" never gets genericed. That was one of the most amusing bios I had ever seen, something along the lines of Socrates gloating about how "they" failed with their poisoning of him etc etc etc. Wish I could recall more of the details, but it was pretty good.


 

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You can try to appeal it but I wouldn't hold your breath (no pun intended...)

http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsof...i=&p_topview=1

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Below is a partial list which gives some examples of things that we cannot allow in character names. This limited list includes:
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References to illegal substances or drug paraphernalia.
I would imagine a name like Burnin Bud is a pretty clear violation of that rule, so I wouldn't expect them to give it back to you. From what I understand I believe they send you an email about the character being generic'd so you can probably just respond to that.

I also find funny the excuse of "I had this name for months/years/decades/whatever, and it's never been a problem before!" No, that just means they never found you or no one has reported you yet. There's no rule that says if you manage to get away with a name for long enough then you get to keep it. A bad name is a bad name. It would be like if you saw someone robbing a bank. Just because they manage to jump into a getaway car and drive off before the cops arrive doesn't mean they were allowed to rob the bank.


 

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Below is a partial list which gives some examples of things that we cannot allow in character names. This limited list includes:
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References to illegal substances or drug paraphernalia.
It isnt illegal every where...Isnt a large slice of the CoX population European?..



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I don't get the prohibition on historical figures. Never have. Are they worried about being sued by the estate of Alexander the Great?
Short answer: Nazi names. Very popular in the first weeks of CoV, and very quickly changed to GenericVillain#####


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It isnt illegal every where...Isnt a large slice of the CoX population European?..
That's not really a debate you want to get rolling on. You asked your question, got an answer, and should leave it at that. It's a US company, and follows US laws in terms of moderation on the US servers.


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In addition, consider that there's very little reward for a GM to change his or her mind about such an issue. So consider how much effort you're willing to spend on a cause that may be doomed from the gitgo.

IMVHO, If you feel the need, make a single petition and accept w/e comes of it.


 

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It isnt illegal every where...Isnt a large slice of the CoX population European?..
It's illegal in most of Europe too. The Netherlands being the notable exception. In Belgium it's illegal, but noone is going to raise much of a ruckus if you're cought with a small amount for personal use, it'll get confiscated and you might get a fine. Bigger amounts will get you into more trouble.


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It isnt illegal every where...Isnt a large slice of the CoX population European?..
NCSoft would have to follow the laws of every country they operate in, they wouldn't be able to pick and choose. Which means they'll likely form their EULA in a way that'll protect them in every country they operate in. So no, even if it was perfectly legal in your country (which it probably isn't anyways) or some other, that doesn't matter in the slightest.

That's a very much so losing argument


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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
That's not really a debate you want to get rolling on.
Hah, I see what you did there. Very good.

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It's a US company, and follows US laws in terms of moderation on the US servers.
Also - and this is something that people overlook every year whilst shouting down the annual "shouldn't we have an Independence Day in-game event?" suggestion - the game is set in the US. If we had actual government-sanctioned superheroes in the streets of Rhode Island, surely a pot-themed one would be noticed by the police.