we could use the 7 virtues of bushido to find new powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido...f_Bushid.C5.8D
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Just throwing a couple ideas out there, but what if we swap Caltrops with a Taunt aura, one that has a very small chance, no more than 5 or 10 percent, of a couple second fear effect (the cower version, not the running one). Another option is to have a Willpower/Shields like effect, except have the power give a very small recharge boost with a saturated aura. Maybe like half Hasten when you have the full ten folks.|
Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
How about some Katana proliferation as well? We all know Divine Avalanche (and Parry) are gonna need reworking, but other than that it should be all good and thematically fitting.
A lot of Ninjutsu powers would need to be reworked... perhaps completely inverted as to their effects. Anyone got any suggestions for how to change or replace Smoke Flash, Hide, Caltrops and maybe Blinding Powder? The set might end up as a more offense-oriented one, kinda like Shields, but maybe more controlly. |
Smoke Grenade is easy, just swap that with a thrown variant of the Glue Grenade the PPD have. Don't have anything off the top of my head for Hide or Blinding Powder just yet.
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Points finger at Night Widows. You can soft cap with just the powers in the set and Widows get higher scaling resists than scrappers. I can see this working on tankers.
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Originally Posted by Failsight
The difference being that there's a big difference in hitting soft cap with Inventions and doing it with just the powers from your set.
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Let's see:
3 toggles, 1 for each positional defense type
1 Self-heal
1 taunt aura with -tohit like RttC but w/o regen (so make it very light end usage)
1 click mez protection
1 +recharge power
1 -resist/slow power (glue grenade) on a long recharge (unenhanceable -resist)
1 tier 9
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Though with SOs, a Night Widow can only cap melee and come close with ranged and AoE some amount of the time. SR with Tanker mods would be full time.|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Points finger at Night Widows. You can soft cap with just the powers in the set and Widows get higher scaling resists than scrappers. I can see this working on tankers.
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EDIT: Nor is it perma with a stock NW that has the (relatively cheap) IOs to make out ML's rech.
call me crazy, but wouldn't sumo be more fitting for a tanker..........
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
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Originally Posted by _Deth_
call me crazy, but wouldn't sumo be more fitting for a tanker..........
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We already call you crazy... er uhm... that was supposed to be inner voice.
But yeah, Sumo would be a bit more fitting.... snug fitting, but fitting.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
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Ninjitsu for tankers can work with a rename and a few modifications.
The name should be obvious for anyone here: Bushidō
Problem is that some powers may just not fit. Hide, Smoke Flash, Blinding Powder and Caltrops would have to be replaced, thats almost a full new set.
- I for sure would give the set a power in the lines of High Pain Tolerance,
- A Taunt aura that increased defense slightly by every foe in range (i'd say so that 3 foes can recoup the def lost from no Hide)
- I can see them have a small AoE damage buff making the team stronger but not self.
- And a meditate click that would basically restore some endurance.
Off course, this also would go for Brutes.
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Sorry, but I disagree with this. Tankers, if played correctly, are not really what you would call a samurai. The code of bushido came from the samurai. The samurai followed orders to the letter(or were supposed to anyway), and they "protected" their masters by throwing themselves headlong into all danger, with absolutely no concern of their own lives. They were to have no attachments in life, especially with regards to their own mortality. Not really one I would call the protector of the group. Now, fits perfect for scrappers and brutes. |
Originally Posted by Starsman
The name should be obvious for anyone here: Bushidō
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Originally Posted by Starsman
[*] I can see them have a small AoE damage buff making the team stronger but not self.
Off course, this also would go for Brutes. |
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
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I know bushido comes from the samurai, it means "the way of the warrior".|
Originally Posted by _Deth_
Sorry, but I disagree with this. Tankers, if played correctly, are not really what you would call a samurai. The code of bushido came from the samurai.
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Also, the samurai was not that dedicated, not even in fiction where they portray him so proper and loyal. Samirai betraying their superiors was not any more rare than any other type of warrior. Even fiction make a lot of buz on ronin and even these ronin have their "bushido" even if they betrayed or abandoned their masters.
In the battlefiled, the samirai was just as practical as any other soldier, with the only exception of late adoption of fire-arms, yet they also used them. They started using Canons in the 16th century.
But I'm derailing because still fiction notes things you wrote:
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| The samurai followed orders to the letter(or were supposed to anyway), and they "protected" their masters by throwing themselves headlong into all danger, with absolutely no concern of their own lives. They were to have no attachments in life, especially with regards to their own mortality. Not really one I would call the protector of the group. Now, fits perfect for scrappers and brutes. |
Brutes were designed with a semi-tank mentality and are played like that often although not always. They also fit perfectly the samurai/bushido.
Scrappers are much more selfish and care to just eliminate their target. The only difference they have from stalkers is they are more heads-on, something some ninja did (and stalkers also do here.)
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The dedication of the samurai changed over time, and obviously some were more dedicated than others. There was ritual suicide for a reason. And there was a custom of samurai performing ritual suicide when their masters died. This custom was eventually outlawed. If that isn't dedication........|
Originally Posted by Starsman
I know bushido comes from the samurai, it means "the way of the warrior".
Also, the samurai was not that dedicated, not even in fiction where they portray him so proper and loyal. Samirai betraying their superiors was not any more rare than any other type of warrior. Even fiction make a lot of buz on ronin and even these ronin have their "bushido" even if they betrayed or abandoned their masters. In the battlefiled, the samirai was just as practical as any other soldier, with the only exception of late adoption of fire-arms, yet they also used them. They started using Canons in the 16th century. But I'm derailing because still fiction notes things you wrote: First, off course, is the correction that Samurai were no kamikaze or mad bommers, they would fight to the end due to their honor and their goal to protect some one but they also were very aware that their fall would also be the fall of those he protects and therefore he would do all he could to stay alive and win the fight. How would that not fit a tank? Brutes were designed with a semi-tank mentality and are played like that often although not always. They also fit perfectly the samurai/bushido. Scrappers are much more selfish and care to just eliminate their target. The only difference they have from stalkers is they are more heads-on, something some ninja did (and stalkers also do here.) Just not sure why would brutes love a team mini-buildup that didn't affect themselves... |
Never said samurai were kamikaze or mad bombers, altho there were a lot of Zero pilots in WW2 that may disagree with you.
Of course they did all they could to win the fight. If the difference came between losing and living, or winning and dieing, guess which way they were supposed to go.
But really, what it comes down to is, I just don't agree with the name Bushido, or more accurately don't think it is as obvious as you do.
oh, and as for the comment about brutes loving that buff idea, I thought I was laying the sarcasm on pretty thick. Guess I was wrong.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
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Even if we stick to this definition (I dare bet the amount of samurai that performed oibara just out of free will were in the low end and many of these were "punishments" for allowing the death of their masters) I still cant see how that would not fit a tanker.|
Originally Posted by _Deth_
The dedication of the samurai changed over time, and obviously some were more dedicated than others. There was ritual suicide for a reason. And there was a custom of samurai performing ritual suicide when their masters died. This custom was eventually outlawed. If that isn't dedication........
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Tankers fight to protect their team, they will die to protect their team. Real tankers stay in the fight after the team dies even if they know they will die and not win just because they refuse to run, they rather die where their team died.
If that would not fit Bushido I don't know what would. Yea, it's not serving one master, but Samurai and Ronin would sometimes do this not just for their masters but to protect loved ones and innocents (the last one at least in fiction.)
Brutes would make good Ronin concepts too. And we already have samurai armor in the game, making this even more perfect!
Again, just a difference of opinion.
Tankers are defensive in nature, I see the samurai as offensive in nature.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
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Now I'm confused, your first statement was about them sacrificing their lives to protect some one (their master,) not about being offensive.|
Originally Posted by _Deth_
Again, just a difference of opinion.
Tankers are defensive in nature, I see the samurai as offensive in nature. |
Tankers are only highly survivable to be able to do the same, same reason Samurai used bulky armor while Ninjas would barely wear anything that hindered movement.
I wouldn't get into semantics over 'bushido' considering that in pretty much all fiction that uses the word 'samurai', historical accuracy takes a distant back seat to awesomeness.
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I toss you Lone Wolf as a tank to that awesomeness evidence, protecting his child all throughout the story, and definitively not killing himself for his master |
Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
I wouldn't get into semantics over 'bushido' considering that in pretty much all fiction that uses the word 'samurai', historical accuracy takes a distant back seat to awesomeness.
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Y'know, Bushido is sounding a fair bit like a non-restricted version of Shields at this point. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
How about some Katana profileration as well? We all know Divine Avalanche (and Parry) are gonna need reworking, but other than that it should be all good and thematically fitting.
A lot of Ninjutsu powers would need to be reworked... perhaps completely inverted as to their effects. Anyone got any suggestions for how to change or replace Smoke Flash, Hide, Caltrops and maybe Blinding Powder? The set might end up as a more offense-oriented one, kinda like Shields, but maybe more controlly.