Costume design: A question on colors.


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I'm usually fairly decent with color combinations; but this new venture is throwing me for a loop, here. Purple and orange is a combination that I would associate with the setting sun... but what color would you put with it other than black (which is a shade, anywho)? I'm finding this one a toughie to answer. Does anyone have any suggestions?


 

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Maybe a pale red or pink, to represent those days when there's a red sky at night?

Either that, or simply a paler shade of orange or purple?


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I'm not a terribly picky person about costumes, but that one is.. um.. ew.

Have you tried using pieces that you can blend? I have a sunset-themed character that has pale yellow, orange and purple on various blends and it worked out pretty well.


 

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I just went with black, in the end. There really aren't too many 'natural' pieces that can be blended together, I've found. Not many that I like, anyway.


 

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Fair enough!


 

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Did you think of trying out that outfit with Pastel Colors, with the Belt the color that you gave it, in that picture you put in your posting to this thread?


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Originally Posted by Serevus View Post
How's this for an alternate direction? http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/504...0090828091.png

Something still feels... off. I can't quite put my finger on what, however.
Personally I would not go with that jacket with the skirt; not with the chest and hips sliders where they are. They don't flatter her figure at all, and make her look very mannish.


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I know you said you didn't want to use legacy pieces but here's an example of the kind of sunset blend I was talking about.


 

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Personally I would not go with that jacket with the skirt; not with the chest and hips sliders where they are. They don't flatter her figure at all, and make her look very mannish.
Actually, it's more Physique than anything. The idea wasn't to have her figure flattered - the default models here seem horribly anorexic, to me, so the 'mannish' seems about appropriate for anything I work with.

As for as the legacy pieces go... They really won't do, here. It just seems bare without some kind of jacket or another, and most of our jackets are pretty horrid when placed over a female figure that's anything over absolute minimum.


 

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Actually, it's more Physique than anything. The idea wasn't to have her figure flattered - the default models here seem horribly anorexic, to me, so the 'mannish' seems about appropriate for anything I work with.

As for as the legacy pieces go... They really won't do, here. It just seems bare without some kind of jacket or another, and most of our jackets are pretty horrid when placed over a female figure that's anything over absolute minimum.
Oh, I know it seems bare. I was just giving the example of the skirt to thigh-high blend. I wouldn't play something that plain Gotta have a belt and do something with the top for sure.


 

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Wo-hey! Sun, I love that costume design as a representation of the setting sun. It really has a very powerful theme when viewed in context. If I would go with anything, something of that nature would probably be it.

Serevus, I know you like a busier look, but I have to say that you're overdoing it the amount of colours you're using. The latter version of the costume is just far too busy to my eyes. Your costume pieces are so very detailed and with four colours spread around the whole costume, it's just hugely distracting. I am sorry to say this, but I can't agree with that design at all.

Personally, if it were me, I'd kill the purple altogether and replace it with black (or kill the black and replace it with purple). A pure black dress is quite stylish, and it does well enough representing the night. I'm not sure I'd have chosen a jacket at all, but since you want to keep it, I'd at least suggest going with the Butler variant. Or is that the butler variant?

It also seems you picked the Bridal top, but not the Bridal skirt. How come? Those two mesh well together, even if you don't give them Bridal patterns, and I suspect they'd enhance the look of a black skirt/top combo. I'm actually not sure you really need that belt, either. Yes, it makes things look a little more detailed, but it both kills the flow of the top and bottom (which is already hampered by the top being largely hidden) and makes the costume a little more busy than I think it needs to be. Detail is cool, but sometimes it can cost you style.

In fact, if you go with a black, belt-less dress, you can actually use the extended Bridal top, the one with the collar and chest net. That would give you a bit more of an over/under look by emphasising the to underneath the jacket. As they are right now, they feel like a zillion layers of the same suit, whereas if you can manage to visually differentiate top layers from bottom layer, it might actually click a little better.

Just as a thought experiment, if you go with pure black boots and gloves (without the golden bats) and a black skirt/top combo and restrict your orange and gold to just the suit jacket, you may be able to create an interesting duality concept that's actually be easier to parse at a glance and seem a bit more stylish. If that isn't an option, might I suggest making the dress black and the boots/gloves combo in the same orange/gold colour scheme? That way you can go the other way and tie the whole costume but the dress together, and then let it serve as contrast and base.

Basically, I'm operating off the standpoint that a costume ought to be detailed enough to be interesting, but not so detailed that it cannot be easily comprehended, because the eye tends to gloss over things that appear to be just an incomprehensible collection of colours. It is through defining shape and concepts visually that you get the eye to stop and the brain to think "Hold on! I think I know what this is. I need a closer look."


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How's this for an alternate direction? http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/504...0090828091.png

Something still feels... off. I can't quite put my finger on what, however.
I think it was Coco Chanel who adivised women to check themselves in the mirror and remove one accessory before leaving. Too many details tends to look cluttered and actually causes something to lose impact rather than gain. Less really is more.

I'd drop some of the details and go a little simpler.


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Edit: Fixed.


Well, if it makes you feel any better; the versions I posted were only a couple of a few dozen. I did have some that used less colors, but wound up feeling too.. bright.. to me.









As examples.

As a whole, I'm pretty happy with the outfit. I suppose one person's definition of 'busy' is going to vary from another's... personally, this feels as if it's 'weighted' right, to me. It isn't 'too bare' - a dress with nothing over it (Which I am happy to use for alternate slots, but not for this particular design) - but yet it's not too 'loaded', either - like the old Bolero was pushing. I still feel as though there's something missing with the shoulders, however.

At this point, I'm quite ready to simply pin it on the lack of options we have in the 'natural' department that actually look halfway decent. It's becoming clear that I'm not going to be able to create the effect I want.

Also, the main reason I don't use the bridal skirt with the bridal top? You can color the bridal skirt's design - but not the bridal top. Even if I were to go with one solid color for both, that still bugs me to the point that using them together feels like a wasted opportunity.

P.S: I really like The Pulveriser's design. He really is 'pretty'.

P.P.S: I don't know. Maybe after almost four years, I've just run myself completely dry on 'natural' outfit ideas. I seem to have all sorts of dresses and suits and shirt/pants pairings in all sorts of combinations already; some of which have begun to resemble one another in all ways but colour. Maybe I should throw some of those out for ideas? I really do appreciate all the help, here, too. I'm just not really being 'struck' yet by anything in particular I suppose.


 

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Update: I've taken a second look at a lot of these suggestions; and as a result, I've stepped back for a moment to re-evaluate the concept and take another approach from the basics on up.



This is what I'm tinkering with now.


 

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Hmnh. I may have to play with some monitor settings, then. SOme of that comes out as indistinguishable from black; but any more brightness and the brights become far too bright.


 

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Wow, I thought purple+orange=eyebleed but that's actually pretty good.

I'd make the gloves and stockings orange, but that's just me.


 

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Dark green.


 

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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire View Post
Wow, I thought purple+orange=eyebleed but that's actually pretty good.

I'd make the gloves and stockings orange, but that's just me.
Actually, that's something I've always been a little indecisive on. Should glove/boots match the color of the torso piece on outfits like this; or is it better for them to contrast?


 

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Originally Posted by Serevus View Post
P.P.S: I don't know. Maybe after almost four years, I've just run myself completely dry on 'natural' outfit ideas. I seem to have all sorts of dresses and suits and shirt/pants pairings in all sorts of combinations already; some of which have begun to resemble one another in all ways but colour. Maybe I should throw some of those out for ideas? I really do appreciate all the help, here, too. I'm just not really being 'struck' yet by anything in particular I suppose.
Which is why I've been trying to get you to branch out a little for years Really, the costume editor is good for a lot of things, and you've seen my plethora of weird designs and inhuman characters. I understand your like for natural outfits, but in a game that offers everything from alien robots to ninja wizard zombies (which isn't as absurd as it sounds), there's a whole other world of opportunities. Like... Male characters

Either way, I really like your final design. On this one, I wouldn't change the gloves and boots to orange. You already have enough brightness and sunset themes in the rest of the costume, and so the black boots and gloves provide a very good contrast to the whole design. I don't know if they "should" match the dress or not, but in this case I believe they're better off not matching. I'd still be interested to see how they look with pure black bats, though.

As for the Bridal skirt feeling odd if you're not colouring it, I have to mention something on the subject. I, myself, always used to feel that if an object can take multiple colours, it should be multi-coloured because it adds detail. I have since changed my mind, however, because sometimes too much detail is detrimental to the costume, and always trying to fit patterns and colours and extras everywhere can do more harm than good. As such, I make it a point to occasionally stand back and wonder if abolishing these little details altogether and splitting the colour in larger sections won't be better. Oftentimes it is, as simpler designs have a power all of their own.


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Update: I've taken a second look at a lot of these suggestions; and as a result, I've stepped back for a moment to re-evaluate the concept and take another approach from the basics on up.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/668/eve5.png

This is what I'm tinkering with now.
I really like how this one looks!


 

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I like all of the versions of the outfit you see posted in this thread, but, if you use mainly dark colors with dark skin, that just doesn't seem right to me. See, I found that dark colors show up better if the character has a lighter skin color as contrast, so why not try a lighter skin color on the character with the final outfit look and colors you decided to go with? You don't need a really light brown skin color, but try using a slightly lighter brown skin color than you're using right now, and see what you get. You just might like the look you get!


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