Aow 8 billion ae challenge!

" The members of AOW spent time teaming and enjoying each others company for a couple of weeks and were prepared for this event, BIG CONGRATZ and well done. "

that was from the 8 mill thread.



gl to those of you NOT in aow.

Sorry Dark Friar, i do apologize, i need to learn netiquette. I write as i think and i do not hold back much. Thanks for keeping me straight.

Cherry, anyone could have prepped for this, it was well advertised in advance, so AOW had one advantage - they were SMART enough to bring a good blend of heroes and plenty of them (a full team).
Dave does well and has been on your team before, you could easily bring a team to the event, so he is a pro, not AOW's secret weapon since he would willingly help you as well! "Dave is his own man!" and AOW is privelidged to have him part-time.

I hope the Stoned Templars will come out in force to the next one. You have a great speed team and with Dave Mebs, Fanged Knight and War-Admiral i know you guys can Rock!

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I hope you guys can see now the point i was making when i created this event. There is no excuse or reason you guys cannot put one alt each in the same sg as your friends and work together to accomplish things such as the AE Challenge! You have 12+ alts so you can spare one to help your friends!

Before anyone says why dont i do it - i obviously do! People ask why i would have 1-4 alts outside AOW, well because i am community minded and help people who deserve it! You can be dedicated to an sg but still help your friends!

Then again, why do I have to put 1 of my alts in somebody’s SG just so I can partake in a community event?

Glad this thread resurfaced

Personally, I think that AoW members should be allowed in the event (I no longer am in it if you care to know). In all reality, this is felecia's event, not AoW's. Felecia has contributed all the influence, made the missions, tested the missions, and gotten most of the heat the forums has directed towards the event. I know for a fact that she does not, and never will cheat. I know that my word doesn't count for all that much.

If she posts the mission ahead of time, nobody can complain that AoW'ers received special knowledge ahead of time. Everyone would have ample time to construct a team and test the mission.

Keep in mind that AoW has not won every event. The first one was won by myself, cherry, war, fanged knight, CriticalKat and a few others I do not remember. I was the only member of aow at the time. So, maybe that counts as AoW winning, maybe it doesn't. Up to you to decide that.

AoW won the most recent event because the players on the team had practiced the mission, and team with each other often so they knew how to go about the mission. Everyone had ample time to practice, and form a team, but nobody did.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I certainly understand the viewpoints of all of you guys. I am pro- letting AoW participate. I know people disagree and will find something in this post specifically to disagree with, but you can have your viewpoint and I will have mine. Please, just try not to turn it into what happened last time because I think thhat was unpleasant for everyone involved (I'm sure some people got a kick out of reading it, though). I will try not to let my temper get the best of me like last time, either.

--Oh yeah, I don't care how terrible something is run, I can't complain about winning up to a billion influence in a half hour of teaming

Thanks for clarifying things Dave.

White Hot Flash: I host AOW events so i do not enter them. I act nuetral to all parties and give the same information to everyone at the same time here in the forums, broadcast in game (broadcast in Atlas and PI and use Request channel), on UHB Channel, and i send tells to members and leaders of most sg's since they are on my global.

I do provide the most infl. for the prizes but i do recieve large donations from many of the other members because they too care about making the community fun. If your wondering who just look at who won the last ae challenge. After all the donations they gave me, they were really just winning some of thier money back.

Hypothetical: if an organization (ex. PERC) or sg that i respect (ex. UHB or HoJ) puts on an event and needs one of my characters in another sg would i do it? Why not? I would do it. I have never asked anyone to do anything i would not do myself.

AOW members team together and work together and compete together, having fun with people you like is partly what being in the same sg is all about.

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What i have been saying from the start is get a group of about 8 people together in the same sg (doesnt matter which one), team together and find a build that works for you AND the team, play with all the options! You have several weeks before the big event. I hope this will help people enjoy new builds they havent had a chance to use and build a group of friends and a great team.

If your a soloist just ignore my comments build your best character and still come out to compete. You have a good chance of still winning something.

oops i think i misread Flash's post.

If i were to be in a competition i would probably go with AOW first since it is my primary sg. As for the other AOW members they have alts in a few sg's and have the tough decision on choosing which one to represent. I feel they should go to the sg that has the best team forming.

If AOW had a full team and no room for me and someone from another sg such as HoJ asked me to bring Felecia onto the team then yes i would switch. But i am not asking others to take thier main to another sg, i am asking you to get together, form a team and work on characters that can help each other.

I am promoting Teamwork, Friendship, and Fun. I hope you will find a new use for an old character or try something new.

Dave, you and Felecia are both stepping around my main point, so I'll say it again in plain english:

Why do you feel good about the host SG winning (more often than not, and mainly because they have the most turnout and therefore the best chance of winning) their own events, and more importantly, why should anyone outside of AOW feel good about it?

Felecia, you left in a fit of rage earlier and declared that all future events you ran would be AOW only. What's different about doing it that way and what's currently going on?

Personally, I wouldn't ask my SG to participate in something where I felt like they wouldn't have a fair chance of winning, simply because of the name over their head. You two can argue till the cows come home about how you feel what you did is fair, but it won't change the fact that perception is just as important as reality, and things sure look fishy from the outside. Good intentions won't cover that up.

While I personally agree with the people objecting (that the group "hosting" should not be participating as competitors), I think Felecia made a good point.

This was announced with plenty of time, the mission id name and number given, to allow anyone who wanted to participate the chance to practice, and objective criteria was used as the means to decide the winners. I looked back at the first post and it was all there. AOW took advantage of that fact and used the info to actually practice. Maybe some others did too, but if other groups did not practice or set-up teams in anticipation of participation that isn't actually the fault of Felecia or AOW. Isn't there an old saying- you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink? Perhaps now anyone deciding to participate in the December event will actually use the practice information given and organize appropriately.

That makes it slightly different than a costume contest or an event where only the group leading it has the information until the start of the event.

PHIRE and his HoJ team did great- I was in Vent with him (and Bullet) while they were starting and running the mission and it sounded like they were having fun with it.

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"Why do you feel good about the host SG winning (more often than not, and mainly because they have the most turnout and therefore the best chance of winning) their own events, and more importantly, why should anyone outside of AOW feel good about it?"

I wouldn't say I feel *good* about it. I just think the members of AoW should be allowed to participate. I know for a fact that felecia hasn't given an AoW member special priveleges in the competition so I don't see why they shouldn't participate. And yes, AoW had the largest turnout which is why they won. But that isn't AoW's fault. It is on you to show up with a large group of skilled players.

"Felecia, you left in a fit of rage earlier and declared that all future events you ran would be AOW only. What's different about doing it that way and what's currently going on?"

I realize this was directed towards felecia but I think I can answer. Before, the events were closed to everyone but AoW. Now they are open to everyone and anyone can win. Also, in the most recent event, felecia did give hundreds of millions away to PoN, Phire's team (UHB? sorry I can't keep track of all the leaders and their groups), and a few others. So, I think the biggest difference is that anybody can win now whereas before nobody could win. I think you are probably smart enough to realize this on your own, though.


"Personally, I wouldn't ask my SG to participate in something where I felt like they wouldn't have a fair chance of winning, simply because of the name over their head. You two can argue till the cows come home about how you feel what you did is fair, but it won't change the fact that perception is just as important as reality, and things sure look fishy from the outside. Good intentions won't cover that up."

Yup, you're right, it does look fishy.

As I have no power and only influence over felecia, you best speak with her. I would suggest sending her an in-game message rather than a forum post. Otherwise you run the risk of being lumped together with all the negative posters. As long as you are civil, and don't rage post, I am sure Felecia will take your suggestions into consideration.

Since everyone is given the same information at the same time and the event is based on the teams skill there can be no preferential treatment. you have weeks to get ready for the event.

The big event Dec. 13th will have the specific mission announced just as the teams are going to start it. That way no one has an advantage or can start ahead of the others.

As for who will test it, i will select a group of 7 people from outside AOW who will not be competing such as Ra'Ush of the Vengeful Pharoahs and SHiFTeR of IIIIII sg's. I intend to ask them but have not done so yet, so plz do not harass them.

No, but I did throw a toon in there so that I could run with them during the challenge. Sorry for any hazy responses

Just an update, i will be starting a new thread next weekend with details of all the events and times for the AOW Anniversary.

As for the 8 billion ae challenge i published it as #343709 - The Army Of Dragons. The final version will be pretty close to what it is now. I am looking for feedback so any suggestions for it you can use in the feedback section at missions end or leave a post in this thread.

1 Zone - Atlas (Ruins)
4 GM's (2 Quarry, 2 Lattice)
1 Escort (C'Kellah)
1 Rescue Captive (Penelope Yin)
2 Patrols (Custom)
6 AV's (Dominatrix, Diabolique, 4 Customs)
4 Find Objects
6 Allies (Custom - 3 Slayer (Scrapper) and 3 Extreme Machine (Blaster))
Custom Army - Defeat All

You have lots of time to test and prep for this!
Why so many allies? So it can be solo'd! GM's are tough! I am trying to balance how long the event is, i hope it runs 30-60 minutes.

So is this event still all team members have to be in same SG? or can I pull together a team and win me some loot?

Thanks for your timely response.

Hahahaha I love the tag "drama cannons online" on this thread