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RWZ challenge?

AgentMountaineer

By AgentMountaineer,
Posted on: 2009-08-21 15:08 in Scrappers

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
So who was it that grabbed an RWZ challenge worthy spawn and dragged it to a pylon that he promptly took out while the spawn was wailing on him?
I know that was how I got my pylon time in the pylon thread. Killed off the minions of two spawns (+2 and +3) and herded the rest around myself and the pylon to take it down in about 5 and a half minutes. Only 1 or 2 two of the damn Mesermists (1 was a LT for sure) didn't' follow and just stood there trying to hit me from range. I'll have to try it at some point with just 1 +4 spawn and a pylon at some point though.

 

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Took three tries, but apparently Actin can indeed smack a Pylon with a challenge spawn around her.

http://www.walkiry.com/CoH/Actin%20-...lon/index.html

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Nice Aliana!!!
You don't happen to have that recorded? I would love to see the actin action... ;-)

 

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Ok, so Arcana's Challenge?...

I got to Round 2 on my second attempt.

Then... well, how did Rattrap say it.

"We can be the first to get tortured and THEN vaped."

It was not pretty.

11 months of all-nighters, messy feeding sessions, bath fighting and realizing just how good my son's lungs work, and I am still convinced he is the crowning accomplishment in my life. What in the blue HFIL is wrong with me?

 

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I'm going back a few posts in regards to minimum numbers in a RWZ spawn. I believe I heard someone say that 7 critters is the "target" number a while back, but even then I don't think people are going to be too critical if you do a 6-critter spawn, particularly if one or more are lieutenants instead of minions.

 

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Originally Posted by Werner View Post
AE arc 9713 by Arcanaville. [colorrange]Specifically designed as a nearly-impossible stress test for scrappers.[/color] Looks like it may have had some updates since I last tried it.
It's not just Scrappers, either. My WP Tank with near softcapped defenses (39% s/l, 42% exotics) got cut up pretty darn quick if I tried to straight up tank it. Those Pain Doms' +tohit is nasty, esp when coupled with other nastiness like Kinetics and their positional only buffs/debuffs. Ungh.

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The main lesson it hammered home was that if I want to be an AE badass, I need better than soft capped defense. Pets and enemies with to-hit buffs just hit too hard. So I planned out a build for my Broad Sword/Shield Defense with 81.5% melee defense that I think could handle it and leveled to 50. But I just keep playing other alts. So, like so very many projects of mine, finishing Arcana's challenge may remain out of reach.
I'm not sure how much that melee def would help, to be honest. A lot of the damage came from ranged / aoe powers. The plus side, however, would be you'd be able to bring targets down super fast with all that AAO fuel.


It has been a loong time since I've tried that arc, though.

 

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I'm not sure how much that melee def would help, to be honest. A lot of the damage came from ranged / aoe powers. The plus side, however, would be you'd be able to bring targets down super fast with all that AAO fuel.
Agreed. The reason my fortunata can handle it is that she's sitting at 60-65 defense to all positionals. The mezzes help a bit too. It's clear to me that to be 'safe' in a lot of AE situations, you need to be above the softcap.

 

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Yeah, the build I was working on also had better than soft-capped Ranged and AoE defense, but not MUCH better, just enough to try to cope with defense debuffs. So yeah, it would probably still get torn apart.

Maybe I should level up my Widow. There is something SO satisfying about the Poison Dart. Not sure what it is. It just seems so... evil.

Or I could just stay away from Architect Entertainment. Other than my attempt yesterday, I don't think I've run an AE mission in a couple months. The shine wore off, and I stopped going.

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Nice Aliana!!!
You don't happen to have that recorded? I would love to see the actin action... ;-)
As a matter of fact, I do!

http://www.walkiry.com/rwz_pylonplus.zip

It's not very flashy though, Actin is not the speediest scrapper.

I still have to try soloing the ITF with her. Talking Rommy, with careful management of AoE so as not to hit the healing fluffy too much, and the other spawned fluffies to fuel SD and DC, she may be able to pull it off. She's got the survivability already, it's a matter of punching hard enough.

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Another good idea if you find the RWZ challenge too easy is Arcana's challenge. That one gives me a run for my money.
I'm afraid to even ask what that is? I going to anyway. What is Arcana's challenge?

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Yar, I went to try the Arcanaville challenge and... gave up. That second wave, whoa. After the third or fourth time of just getting two shotted I shelved the whole thing.

There's challenge and then there's that, and that wasn't challenge, just slaughter.

A brute friend tried and succeeded though, not sure if he was joking about using a warburg nuke though he said he did use Web Envelope for the scrappers.

What was getting me was that seemingly auto-hit nuke that took me from full bar to the red plus end drain.

 

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I shall have to attempt Arcana's challenge. It will be laughable, I'd bet, but should be fun too.

I'll run all my scrappers through it. I give my main and my BS/DA the best chance, only because they're level 50 and have more IOs than anyone else.

Are there any rules to it? Similar to RWZ Challenge, or is it anything goes?

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Are there any rules to it? Similar to RWZ Challenge, or is it anything goes?
If I remember correctly the rules were the same on the no temps/no insps but Arcanaville threw in the aside, (paraphrased, of course) "do what you feel is necessary."

Or something along those lines.

Quite frankly, if you can get through the whole thing without dying, I'm gonna call it a massive success. I don't care if you use temps, insps, shivans, warburg bombs and smash those pain users upside the head with a kitchen sink.

I need to run it again. I expect to die at least 27 times.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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The closest I've gotten to on that was on my claws/sr. Close as in a few seconds in on that last ambush. When those ladies hit Build Up, which took me down in a blink. That was awhile back though so I'm not sure what kind of changes were made to it since. Might try it with my FM/SD, but if I remember it correctly, you need some kind of +perception to be able to see those things. So my guess is he probably woth last the second ambush.

 

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Gratz, Novawulfe!

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I'm going to try Arcana's challenge with my BS/DA when he's done. Came up with a pretty wicked build, I wanna see how it stacks up to everyone's horror stories.

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I'm going to try Arcana's challenge with my BS/DA when he's done. Came up with a pretty wicked build, I wanna see how it stacks up to everyone's horror stories.
Not to dissuade you from trying, but awesome as your build is, you'll probably get destroyed. There's a whole lot of pets (75% to-hit), and probably some debuffs flying around. So one leg of your survivability (soft-capped defense) isn't going to be nearly as stable as you'd like. Maybe you'll get enough out of your resists and heal to pull through, though. Here's hoping.

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Sooooo....when we get the new difficulty sliders will the RWZ challenge become obsolete?
Perhaps. I could see some short Ouroboros mission at a high difficulty setting becoming the new standard, as it would be more representative of what you might face in game. No temps, no inspirations, some time limit, exiting the mission not allowed. So you can't hit the hospital, but you can use a self rez. Some enemy group with something nasty for everyone. You could use Unstoppable on every spawn, except that you'd run out of time. Etc.

On the other hand, custom encounters in AE could have easily replaced the RWZ challenge, and didn't. So it might survive custom difficulty levels too.

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Not to dissuade you from trying, but awesome as your build is, you'll probably get destroyed. There's a whole lot of pets (75% to-hit), and probably some debuffs flying around. So one leg of your survivability (soft-capped defense) isn't going to be nearly as stable as you'd like. Maybe you'll get enough out of your resists and heal to pull through, though. Here's hoping.
I'm okay with getting destroyed. Only way I'll ever know if I can do it is if I try.

I have no respect for those that assume failure is a given and never make an attempt.

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Perhaps. I could see some short Ouroboros mission at a high difficulty setting becoming the new standard, as it would be more representative of what you might face in game. No temps, no inspirations, some time limit, exiting the mission not allowed. So you can't hit the hospital, but you can use a self rez. Some enemy group with something nasty for everyone. You could use Unstoppable on every spawn, except that you'd run out of time. Etc.

On the other hand, custom encounters in AE could have easily replaced the RWZ challenge, and didn't. So it might survive custom difficulty levels too.
+4 longbow spawns with 2 bosses would be interesting. Aracnos also. And anything with -tohit will be highly annoying (CoT death mages?).

I think i'm actually looking forward to my brute more then my scrappers with the new sliders.

I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.

 

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On the other hand, custom encounters in AE could have easily replaced the RWZ challenge, and didn't. So it might survive custom difficulty levels too.
I think so. The RWZ challenge had the avantage of being one of the few hard things at that time, and available to everyone. With so much other options, be it AE or I16 difficulty settings, coming to a consensus for a widely accepted challenge would be much harder.

Most likely everyone will do his own challenge, which I don't really see as a bad thing.

 

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Man Arcana's Arc is crazy. I did the RWZ rules and got the whole map, without ambushes.... got rid of them no sweat, first wave, soul drain, shield charge, dark consumption, energy turrent, dps chain for a few rounds. Noticed that my life was draining, and then went to hittin siphon life asap mode.( I think by this time, I had spawned the second wave by accident. ) Soon after I dropped like a sack of potatos. Maybe with a little more plannin or when I get my light melee/shield AoE beast going, the challenge wont stand a chance. Hope is my drug. XD