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Claws/* is more end efficient than any other set so it works wonders with */DA.
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Originally Posted by Selenir
My first 50 was a Dual Blades/Dark Armor scrapper, which turned out to be a terrible failure of a character in terms of power... huge endurance issues to deal with and lackluster damage from his primary.
I'm considering starting another Dark Armor scrapper, because I enjoyed the powerset, but it's hideously inefficient endurance-wise. Other than Dark Melee, are there any scrapper primaries which are efficient enough to offset the incredible drain on my blue bar that is the four thousand toggles of Dark Armor? |
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Sorry Dual Blades has great damage. You were doing something wrong if you were not doing great damage. | My first 50 was a Dual Blades/Dark Armor scrapper, which turned out to be a terrible failure of a character in terms of power... huge endurance issues to deal with and lackluster damage from his primary. |
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| I'm considering starting another Dark Armor scrapper, because I enjoyed the powerset, but it's hideously inefficient endurance-wise. Other than Dark Melee, are there any scrapper primaries which are efficient enough to offset the incredible drain on my blue bar that is the four thousand toggles of Dark Armor? |
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Wouldn't surprise me. I basically got him to 50 then quickly started on an Energy/Energy blaster and a Dark Melee/Shield Defense scrapper (who turned out to be the unstoppable GOD I've always dreamed of). Never was very good with the DB/DA.|
Originally Posted by BrokenPrey
Sorry Dual Blades has great damage. You were doing something wrong if you were not doing great damage.
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I've heard others say DB is a very weak powerset though - not sure who's correct on this.
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Originally Posted by Selenir
Wouldn't surprise me. I basically got him to 50 then quickly started on an Energy/Energy blaster and a Dark Melee/Shield Defense scrapper (who turned out to be the unstoppable GOD I've always dreamed of). Never was very good with the DB/DA.
I've heard others say DB is a very weak powerset though - not sure who's correct on this. |
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Oooh. How good is elec at endurance efficiency?
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Could wait for i16 and go Elec/Dark
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I didn't find it terrible at all. Personally I think it would be a great set to pair with Dark Armor.
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Originally Posted by Selenir
Oooh. How good is elec at endurance efficiency?
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Sorry to tell you, but if you found DB/DA endurance unmanageable I would suggest you seriously review your build or walk away for Dark Armor entirely. Dual Blades is not the most endurance costly primary...by quite a bit. It does very good damage that combines very well with Dark Armor.
Might I suggest you post your build, perhaps review where you went wrong with DB/DA before trying another DA character. Otherwise I suspect you'll end up with similar results.
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Originally Posted by Selenir
Oooh. How good is elec at endurance efficiency?
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My Elec/DA brute is level 42 and a very fun build to play. Electric attacks aren't a major end problem, but then I didn't think Dual Blades was either.
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I came to the scrapper forum to post a post wondering about electric/dark scrappers, and here it is, being discussed 
Dark is a secondary I have had nothing to do with...but this morning my level 15 baby Claws/Fire did a few Bronze rolls and came away with a Kismet Acc, and a Steadfast Knockback Protection, and that got me thinking about the Dark secondary and what to pair with it.
Elec/Dark is it a good solo combo? Appearance wise I think it would be breathtaking, but I would like to survive with it as well
Anyways, I have to scoot my boots to work...hmmm Electric/Dark
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I believe that your real problem weren't your toggles, it was Dark Regeneration. It needs a very good slotting to be endurance efficient. Otherwise it would drain you after the second application in a longer fight. Can you please post the your slotting of that power?|
Originally Posted by Selenir
Other than Dark Melee, are there any scrapper primaries which are efficient enough to offset the incredible drain on my blue bar that is the four thousand toggles of Dark Armor?
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Too overcome that issue I strongly advice the use of a primary set that increases your defenses: Katana or Broadsword. That should drastically reduce the frequency of Dark Regeneration applications.
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Originally Posted by SteelKing
Too overcome that issue I strongly advice the use of a primary set that increases your defenses: Katana or Broadsword. That should drastically reduce the frequency of Dark Regeneration applications. |
While I agree and promote the power of Parry, if a player struggles DB/DA's endurance management they will run away screaming with BS/DA. Yes you can build and manage both exceedingly well, but of the two BS/DA is considerably more difficult to manage.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Elec/Dark is it a good solo combo?
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I can't say with absolute certainty yet, but based on my experiences with Elec/DA as a brute I expect the combo to do really well as a scrapper. Electric Melee has a good balance of single target and AoE which is ideal for my playstyle.
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I had absolutely no problems with managing Endurance while running my BS/DA scrapper. But that is really long ago, I don't know if it was before ED or after... |
Originally Posted by Desmodos
While I agree and promote the power of Parry, if a player struggles DB/DA's endurance management they will run away screaming with BS/DA. Yes you can build and manage both exceedingly well, but of the two BS/DA is considerably more difficult to manage.
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Nevertheless you're right, Kat is much easier to manage.
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Initially, I struggled quite a bit with BS/DA but I was having so much fun with it I simply didn't care. Once IO'd out, my BS/DA is actually my most endurance friendly build of all my Dark Armor characters.
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Originally Posted by SteelKing
I had absolutely no problems with managing Endurance while running my BS/DA scrapper. But that is really long ago, I don't know if it was before ED or after...
Nevertheless you're right, Kat is much easier to manage. |
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actually I disagree...DB only offers knockdown for damage mitigation. So someone not use to/not knowing about the right IO's begins to become dependant on Dark Regen for survivability. 1 thousand cuts is an animation that if caught in a dark armor scrapper may find that they are dead before the animation is through. |
Originally Posted by Desmodos
While I agree and promote the power of Parry, if a player struggles DB/DA's endurance management they will run away screaming with BS/DA. Yes you can build and manage both exceedingly well, but of the two BS/DA is considerably more difficult to manage.
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Either sword set has the parry/da power that offers huge mitigation and would allow a dark armor scrapper to become less dependant upon dark regen for survival issues. With less use of dark regen your not going to be using nearly as much endurance.
Unless there was a major change to dual blades from the first weeks of use after its test launch I would say either of the sword sets are much easy to manage endurance wise than DB.
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This seems to have been missed, but it bears re-iterating. Claws/DA is an amazing combo. A fast, low-end primary that has solid mitigation and positioning tools coupled with a secondary that needs good timing, position control and end management. |
Originally Posted by Umbral_NA
Claws/* is more end efficient than any other set so it works wonders with */DA.
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Need a cluster to fuel the AWESOME power of Dark Regen? Shockwave!
Boss hitting you too much to recover easily? Focus spam!
Need more AoE damage? Follow Up buffs Death Shroud!
The two have great synergy, and I heartily support their play.
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Wut, no one mentioned Spines/DA? You turn into a walking AoE 
My first 50 was a Dual Blades/Dark Armor scrapper, which turned out to be a terrible failure of a character in terms of power... huge endurance issues to deal with and lackluster damage from his primary.
I'm considering starting another Dark Armor scrapper, because I enjoyed the powerset, but it's hideously inefficient endurance-wise. Other than Dark Melee, are there any scrapper primaries which are efficient enough to offset the incredible drain on my blue bar that is the four thousand toggles of Dark Armor?