Warshade blasting as a human vs. a nova


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Originally Posted by LordXenite
On my single-blasts both in Human-form and Nova, I have at least one Chance to Hold in each attack. You may be surprised, but those blasts actually stack with each-other so that I can use the twin-blasts to whittle down a Boss and also from time to time, hold him altogether with my Nova single-target blasts alone. It's definitely a playstyle choice of course, but then again, my playstyle is not focused on "kill it before it kills you" but rather on "disable it before it kills you and then take it apart.. painfully and disdainfully as possible". In other words, I like playing with my food.
I like that kind of thinking, it is what I want to get too eventually, like I say the most important thing to me is how fast I would get through a spawn and that thinking is the crowd I want to aim my posts towards, but it is always good to see the 'other' ways of doing things when they aren't passed off as 'equal' (Not that I can remember if you personally ever tried passing a lesser build off as equal - so that was a general comment not personal).

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Both builds are fun, both are useful, both require different playstyles to be efficient and each build leads to different time-to-defeat results. However, if you're going to tell me that to be the most efficient I have to scrap my fun build and simply stick with whatever build is causing the most damage in the least amount of time, I'm going to tell you to go play your character while I go play mine.
No I would never do that

I am happy to see the fun builds people make on here, I just like to balance that with disclaimers about what would be 'better', you seem to know that well enough. I just want to make sure everyone knows that kind of thing.

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There's no question in my mind that you can build a Kheldian for strictly damage, and it may even be quite possible to build them to solo A/V's and G/M's with the right IO's and all that, but the knowledge that such a build exists does not encourage me to try and find it because quite frankly, if I were interested in DPS, I wouldn't make a Kheldian in the first place.
Agreed on the first point, I have seen a build that could theoretically take on AV's and with unlimited inf would probably make it to give it a go, but would never suggest playing it.

DPS though does interest me, no matter what I play I try and make sure that while doing whatever it is that character should do I add in as much damage as possible.


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Here's a silly, non-optimized build:

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Efficient???: Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Fitness

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Dev'n-Hold%:50(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- Aegis-Psi/Status:50(A)
Level 2: Gravimetric Snare -- Dev'n-Hold%:50(A)
Level 4: Shadow Bolt -- Dev'n-Hold%:50(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- GSFC-Build%:50(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(9), RechRdx-I:50(9)
Level 10: Starless Step -- Zephyr-ResKB:50(A)
Level 12: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 16: Sunless Mire -- CtlSpd-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:30(A), CtlSpd-Acc/Slow:30(21), CtlSpd-Dmg/Slow:30(21), CtlSpd-Acc/EndRdx:30(23), CtlSpd-Rng/Slow:30(23)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(43), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(43)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam:50(48), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx:50(50), P'Shift-End%:50(50), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(50)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(39), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx:50(39), Efficacy-EndMod:50(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(40)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB:50(A)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Amaze-ToHitDeb%:50(A), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun:50(46), Amaze-Acc/Rchg:50(46), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg:50(48), Amaze-Stun/Rchg:50(48)
Level 28: Unchain Essence -- Posi-Dam%:50(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(46)
Level 30: Inky Aspect -- RzDz-Immob%:30(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg:50(36), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), S'bndAl-Acc/Rchg:50(37)
Level 35: Stygian Return -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A)
Level 38: Eclipse -- Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(40), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(40), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx:50(42), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(42)
Level 41: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 44: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 47: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A)
Level 49: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Winter-ResSlow:50(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Jnt-EndRdx/Rng:50(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- Entrpc-Heal%:35(A), Entrpc-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(3), Entrpc-Dmg/Rchg:35(7), Entrpc-Dmg/EndRdx:35(13), Entrpc-Acc/Dmg:35(17)
Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Apoc-Dam%:50(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(3), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(7), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(13), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(17)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(5), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(11), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(15), Ragnrk-Dmg:50(19)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(5), Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(11), Posi-Dam%:50(15), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(19)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(31), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:50(33)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- Hectmb-Dam%:50(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(29), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(29), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(31), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(31)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Armgdn-Dam%:50(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(25), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(25), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(27)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Nictus-%Dam:50(A), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen:50(34), Nictus-Acc/Heal:50(34), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg:50(36)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Zephyr-ResKB:50(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Zinger-Dam%:50(A)
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Set Bonus Totals:

  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  • 9.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  • 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
  • 1.25% Defense(Lethal)
  • 0.63% Defense(Melee)
  • 4.5% Max End
  • 5% Enhancement(Heal)
  • 101% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 2% Enhancement(FlySpeed)
  • 2% Enhancement(JumpHeight)
  • 2% Enhancement(RunSpeed)
  • 103.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  • 2% Enhancement(JumpSpeed)
  • 100.4 HP (9.37%) HitPoints
  • Knockback (Mag -12)
  • Knockup (Mag -12)
  • MezResist(Confused) 5.25%
  • MezResist(Held) 2.5%
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 8%
  • MezResist(Sleep) 4.7%
  • MezResist(Stun) 2.5%
  • MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%
  • 24% (0.4 End/sec) Recovery
  • 52% (2.33 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
  • 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
  • 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
  • 13.2% Resistance(Fire)
  • 13.2% Resistance(Cold)
  • 2.25% Resistance(Psionic)
  • 5% RunSpeed

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Set Bonuses:
Aegis
(Absorption)
  • 2.25% Resistance(Psionic)
Blessing of the Zephyr
(Starless Step)
  • Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
Luck of the Gambler
(Grant Invisibility)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Luck of the Gambler
(Shadow Cloak)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Curtail Speed
(Sunless Mire)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
  • 2% Enhancement(Slow)
  • 1.25% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.63% Defense(Melee)
  • 2.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Crushing Impact
(Gravity Well)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
  • 12 HP (1.12%) HitPoints
  • 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Aegis
(Black Dwarf)
  • 5% RunSpeed
Titanium Coating
(Black Dwarf)
  • MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
Efficacy Adaptor
(Stygian Circle)
  • 12 HP (1.12%) HitPoints
  • 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
Blessing of the Zephyr
(Super Speed)
  • Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
Absolute Amazement
(Gravitic Emanation)
  • 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Positron's Blast
(Unchain Essence)
  • 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
  • 1.58% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Expedient Reinforcement
(Dark Extraction)
  • Status Resistance 2.5%
  • 3% DamageBuff(All)
Soulbound Allegiance
(Dark Extraction)
  • 16% (0.72 HP/sec) Regeneration
Efficacy Adaptor
(Eclipse)
  • 12 HP (1.12%) HitPoints
  • 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
  • 10% (0.45 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
Luck of the Gambler
(Invisibility)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Winter's Gift
(Shadow Step)
  • 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed), 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime), 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
Entropic Chaos
(Dark Nova Bolt)
  • 10% (0.45 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • MezResist(Confused) 2.75%
  • 2.25% Max End
  • 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Apocalypse
(Dark Nova Blast)
  • 16% (0.72 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 32.1 HP (3%) HitPoints
  • 4% DamageBuff(All)
  • 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Ragnarok
(Dark Nova Emanation)
  • 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Positron's Blast
(Dark Nova Detonation)
  • 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
  • 1.58% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Crushing Impact
(Black Dwarf Strike)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
  • 12 HP (1.12%) HitPoints
  • 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Hecatomb
(Black Dwarf Smite)
  • 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Armageddon
(Black Dwarf Mire)
  • 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Touch of the Nictus
(Black Dwarf Drain)
  • 20.1 HP (1.87%) HitPoints
  • 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 5% Enhancement(Heal)
  • 2.25% Max End
Blessing of the Zephyr
(Black Dwarf Step)
  • Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
Analyze that.


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Haha its getting a bit late now and Family Guy is about to start but I will do tomorrow


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Here's a silly, non-optimized build:....

....Shanalyze that.
I would look for one of them Force Feedback Chance for +Rechg IOs and then possibly save a ton of ingame money on Purple Rechg Sets.

I checked my Completely Pure Warshade build to that and being pure (no power pools etc ) by having one of them FF +Rechgs she actually has pretty much your level of Rechg on long rechargers. Ofc there is a couple of +7.5s and a couple of 6.25s but it's as good as with that. My Eclipse is at 92.8 and yours is just under 90 and on that I wouldn't quibble. In a moment of need I could hit a +rechg accolade to bail me out.

My WS is 4 yrs old. Bless. Has all the attacks except Shadow Bolt and Orbiting Debt. Every attack (as much as I don't need them all XD ) packs about +90% atleast in damage enh buffs and by having many attacks, they rechg well enough.

Endurance bar goes up, down, up, down alot though.

I checked the acc of all the nova's attacks of your build whilst nova form is on and read 308% Acc for two of the attacks and thought "omg what needs that amount?". Its the shaving of figures down to levels that I see the need for that help with finding slots for what else I want.

I bet a pure build can be almost as good as builds that have haste and fitness pool in PvE, played right.


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That's just something I put up with Mids while the source-code at work was doing a mid-day build and I was bored and didn't have anything better to do...

If you think I have enough patience to get those purples, you've got another thing coming altogether. Heck, I'm too lazy to completely proc out my Ill/Rad Controller and that actually would be the kind of fun I love to contemplate.

Like you said Shannon, strategically placing Chance for +Recharge can bring you up to high up recharge values, and honestly, most of the time, I don't feel the need for fast-recharging attacks. I mean, it'd be nice to spam Black Dwarf Mire every 5 seconds instead of 10, but that would be ridiculously easy in battle wouldn't it?


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I mean, it'd be nice to spam Black Dwarf Mire every 5 seconds instead of 10, but that would be ridiculously easy in battle wouldn't it?
Yeah that's why I challenge myself with Pure builds, I think you can over power yaself too much and go thru the same motions unchallenged too often.


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Yeah that's why I challenge myself with Pure builds, I think you can over power yaself too much and go thru the same motions unchallenged too often.
Whenever you feel unchallenged, gather 7 lowbies with you and go do a Lv50+ Boss AE farm. That should get your blood running...


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Whenever you feel unchallenged, gather 7 lowbies with you and go do a Lv50+ Boss AE farm. That should get your blood running...
AE is broke and farming is boring. I'll wait till we can adjust the team size if I fancy something extraordinary.


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AE is broke and farming is boring. I'll wait till we can adjust the team size if I fancy something extraordinary.
Oh I won't argue that AE is just pitchy and farming never gets boring, and when I fancy the extraordinary there's nothing like an All-Kheldian team, but the point of the exercise is to power-level 7 newbie characters who squeal with joy every time they ding.

Anyway, back to the whole Warshade blasting thing... here's a build that should be amusing to test run, I hope...


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The biggest reason you don't see builds, particularly for WSes, is because they can self-cap +damage and +resistance. If you slot for recharge and accuracy/tohit, you will be a monster...USING SO'S! Once you're at the caps, nothing you do will improve your performance (technically chance for dmg procs bypasses dmg caps, but still). Getting your +recharge high enough to perma Eclipse, and two pets out perma with a 3rd for x time, and that's peak performance for a WS. As there are a few ways to to achieve all of that...no builds . MAINTAINING that peak performance is something altogether different .

PBs are a bit different, as they can only self-cap +resistance, and Lightform cannot be made perma. PBs, IMHO, are also the more versatile of the two, and so can be built in a variety of ways depending on what role you want to focus on (if any).

Hope that helps.


 

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If more efficient means using less brain cells and just toggling up and blasting like your average blaster/scrapper/tanker/lockdown artist controller then yes.

More damage? lol, No. sorry. The damage bonuses given to squid form will always beat out human blasts, and anything the human only can do the Tri-Form can do with a couple less slots in it at most (and using sets the lost slots are almost insignificant).

More moves? Again no. 27 powers is "27 possible moves" while thr Tri-Form has 25 moves + another 9 "moves" from the forms.

More defence via Eclipse? Exactly how do you get past the ressist cap I seem to reach from using Eclipse on my Tri-Form?
Wasn't my point, let me clarify you silly goose.

More damage compared to squid form = Yes, very much so.

More moves as a human than in squid form = yes obviously.

More defense on Eclipse via Io's....why do I even need to explain this?, are you looking for an argument?. Sorry kiddo I wouldnt bother.


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Wasn't my point, let me clarify you silly goose.

More damage compared to squid form = Yes, very much so.

More moves as a human than in squid form = yes obviously.

More defense on Eclipse via Io's....why do I even need to explain this?, are you looking for an argument?. Sorry kiddo I wouldnt bother.
I went back to look at your last comment because this still doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, are you saying human form will outdamage nova form?

I don't get your comment on Eclipse either, your first comment said that human form gets better defence out of Eclipse, and Obsidian was asking you how, then this comment makes it look like you are thinking Obsidian is saying Eclipse gives more defence in human, which he isn't.

Either way you are wrong about human causing more damage.

Out of the box the human form attacks cause about half the damage as nova, then you add in nova damage bonus on top of that.

You might be thinking about using Sunless Mire to boost human form damage, but that also boosts Nova damage by the same %, and with higher base damage that % counts for more.

Aside from Quasar, which is situational so can't be counted, and Gravity Well which is on a long recharge time so only adds the occasional spike of damage; human form cannot compare to Nova form in terms of damage output.


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I went back to look at your last comment because this still doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, are you saying human form will outdamage nova form?

I don't get your comment on Eclipse either, your first comment said that human form gets better defence out of Eclipse, and Obsidian was asking you how, then this comment makes it look like you are thinking Obsidian is saying Eclipse gives more defence in human, which he isn't.

Either way you are wrong about human causing more damage.

Out of the box the human form attacks cause about half the damage as nova, then you add in nova damage bonus on top of that.

You might be thinking about using Sunless Mire to boost human form damage, but that also boosts Nova damage by the same %, and with higher base damage that % counts for more.

Aside from Quasar, which is situational so can't be counted, and Gravity Well which is on a long recharge time so only adds the occasional spike of damage; human form cannot compare to Nova form in terms of damage output.
You must play you're WS horribly, I out damage nova PB's with my WS. Double Mires unchain essense+ quasar = Entire mob dead, Bosses get perma Gravity well's as mine is on a 10 second recharge. All this was without IO's I'm a killing machine with them. This is all excluding Orbiting death and Dark Extraction. Yeah I'm doing far more DPS than nova form.

And what are you talking about Quasar can't be counted?, I Stygian circle the next mob or Eclipse them for end. You seriously don't know how to play a WS. But hey don't take my word for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpr1WS5DilA That's me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrBClpWKKyI, my friend. On IO's triform. No Quasar just for you. And yes I'm doing mine on a higher difficulty, Who kills faster?.

On that note, do you mind recording you're point of view? I would love to see how you perform, I'm betting thats not going to happen, I'm assuming you're not going to post a video proving anything are you?.


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You must play you're WS horribly, I out damage nova PB's with my WS. Double Mires unchain essense+ quasar = Entire mob dead, Bosses get perma Gravity well's as mine is on a 10 second recharge. All this was without IO's I'm a killing machine with them. This is all excluding Orbiting death and Dark Extraction. Yeah I'm doing far more DPS than nova form.
Ok firstly I said Quasar doesn't count because it is situational and not part of a proper sustainable attack chain.

Secondly Gravity Well might be on a 10 second recharge, you still need 3 hits to kill a boss and for the first 10s that boss wont be stunned.

Thirdly Dark Extraction works in all forms so you can't count that.

4th - lol @ Orbiting Debt - With fully saturated Sunless Mire you are causing 12dps with it. And you have to be right up in the middle of the mob to use it, which isn't a safe place since you have no mez protection.

And lastly, Nova does AoE damage, MASSIVE AoE damage.

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And what are you talking about Quasar can't be counted?, I Stygian circle the next mob or Eclipse them for end. You seriously don't know how to play a WS. But hey don't take my word for it:
Quasar is a nuke on a 2minute timer, you can only count attacks that form part of a sustainable attack chain if you want me to take you seriously.

Especially when you consider that any good tri-former will drop for Quasar just as much as a human only build would.

Oh and you would run into the next mob after Quasar to use Stygian Circle? The power that relies on dead bodies and thus should be used on the mobs Quasar kills? And then say I don't know how to play?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpr1WS5DilA That's me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrBClpWKKyI, my friend. On IO's triform. No Quasar just for you. And yes I'm doing mine on a higher difficulty, Who kills faster?.
We can all get videos of someone who doesn't have a well specced toon and show we are awesome you know.

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On that note, do you mind recording you're point of view? I would love to see how you perform, I'm betting thats not going to happen, I'm assuming you're not going to post a video proving anything are you?.
Haha and then a challenge, which sadly I will decline because you aren't worth the effort because your point isnt even close to being correct.

As I mentioned somewhere else, the attacks in Nova have more base damage that the attacks in human form, they have a sustainable attack chain (With AoE's no less), they get more benefit from Sunless Mire, Quasar would be used with a tri-former just as much as a human form only and there is just no mathematical way you can cause more damage limiting yourself to a pure human build.

You are one of those people I have been talking about who say "Loads of damage" without actually having a clue.

STOP GIVING PEOPLE WRONG ADVICE!

PS: If you want a challenge, how about you go away and run the maths on a sustainable 1 minute long attack chain on 10 mobs using builds with and without Nova. I know which will win, and I would guess by a very large margin. And whenever I get around to running the number I will prove how right I am, but you go ahead and try and prove otherwise.

*holds 1 finger in the air: 1-0 to me I think.


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Ummm... Actually, that's me. Not you. (see sig below and compare names to the YouTube video). If you'd like, I can log onto him in-game and prove it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrBClpWKKyI, my friend. On IO's triform. No Quasar just for you. And yes I'm doing mine on a higher difficulty, Who kills faster?.
I wasn't aware there was a higher difficulty setting than "invincible," which is what I was on.

You might also want to take into consideration that I was in a custom AE mission I created that had ALL LTs with quite a variation of scrapper powers (fire, dark, dual blades, katana). Of course you could kill faster, because you had 1...maybe 2 Lts in a mob? And the mob conned YELLOW to you? LOL. And if you had a boss on invincible, I certainly didn't see one, because none of them in your video conned purple. In fact, now that I'm checking it again, I don't even seen any LTs conning RED, which means you actually WEREN'T on a higher difficulty setting.

Completely incorrect information...

Now, that said, I actually WOULD like to see PrincessDarkStar go in my mission and survive it using her particular WS playstyle. I'm being serious. I really would like to.

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The way you play changes your IO slotting..


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4th - lol @ Orbiting Debt - With fully saturated Sunless Mire you are causing 12dps with it. And you have to be right up in the middle of the mob to use it, which isn't a safe place since you have no mez protection.
I'd disagree with you on this bit PD when on a team with 'trollers but you do need to understand the ATs inherrent and stay close enough to them to benifit.


As for those thinking human form can outdamage nova - sadly not any longer as the inherrent now carries over to the forms


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I'd disagree with you on this bit PD when on a team with 'trollers but you do need to understand the ATs inherrent and stay close enough to them to benifit.


As for those thinking human form can outdamage nova - sadly not any longer as the inherrent now carries over to the forms
That's, of course, making the assumption that you're on a team and not soloing.

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The way you play changes your IO slotting..


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Ummm... Actually, that's me. Not you. (see sig below and compare names to the YouTube video). If you'd like, I can log onto him in-game and prove it.

I wasn't aware there was a higher difficulty setting than "invincible," which is what I was on.

You might also want to take into consideration that I was in a custom AE mission I created that had ALL LTs with quite a variation of scrapper powers (fire, dark, dual blades, katana). Of course you could kill faster, because you had 1...maybe 2 Lts in a mob? And the mob conned YELLOW to you? LOL. And if you had a boss on invincible, I certainly didn't see one, because none of them in your video conned purple. In fact, now that I'm checking it again, I don't even seen any LTs conning RED, which means you actually WEREN'T on a higher difficulty setting.

Completely incorrect information...
Lol that is the most amusing post I think I have ever seen

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Now, that said, I actually WOULD like to see PrincessDarkStar go in my mission and survive it using her particular WS playstyle. I'm being serious. I really would like to.
As much as I hate the MA and all it has spawned I would be happy to give it a try. But I never did claim to be the best Kheldian player or have the best build (Though I am of course very proud of my build), I just want to help others by learning all I can.


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Unless things have changed recently, Nova form has the highest damage scalar in the game. Period. If you don't know what that means, don't argue about what out damages what. If you do know what it means...well, then there shouldn't be anything to debate...


 

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Wow... a Kheldian pissing contest... sheesh!
Yeah I was afraid it might come to something like this

I would much prefer that rather than being defensive about their ability (Which is not in question), people would look beyond the immeasurable and actually post some facts.

And I still can't get over Lacrymosa posting a video of AlienOne claming it to be them! Of all the people to pick don't pick a regular forum goer!


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I'd disagree with you on this bit PD when on a team with 'trollers but you do need to understand the ATs inherrent and stay close enough to them to benifit.
I was being a bit down on it I guess, if I was going human only I would definately take the power (And did when I was human only for a while), I just wouldn't brag about it when trying to convince someone of my uber damage.


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That's why I dislike talking builds, numbers and efficiency. It tends to turn everything into a friggin' pissing contest at worst and at best, it nudges people towards FoTM's.

That doesn't mean I don't play with Mids and share my ideas, but I just don't like the whole atmosphere around the number crunching scene.


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And I still can't get over Lacrymosa posting a video of AlienOne claming it to be them! Of all the people to pick don't pick a regular forum goer!
LoL, yeah... I was like, "Oh, cool! A WS video! Lemme check it ou--wait.....That's ME!!!"

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That's why I dislike talking builds, numbers and efficiency. It tends to turn everything into a friggin' pissing contest at worst and at best, it nudges people towards FoTM's.

That doesn't mean I don't play with Mids and share my ideas, but I just don't like the whole atmosphere around the number crunching scene.
Completely agreed. Also reminds me of the people who frequent the market section of the forums... You can't go in there and post an opinion about current prices without them wanting to gut you like a pig...lol!

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The way you play changes your IO slotting..


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