I'm not sure. A tailor option in the base, yes, but I'm not sure a 'change into uniform' option will be available. With multiple costume slots AND SG colours available, SG's can have co-ordinated costumes without having 'uniforms'.
A 'uniform' could be put together by the SG, and then exported as a save file (new costume editor) and downloaded / imported into a costume slot at the player's discretion, and then can be edited to fit their style (cap, mask, helet, aura).
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Thumbs up for Spade suggestion! But I wouldn't make that as something temporal, as most characters have 5 cossie slots, it can be turned into one of them, after all, you still have 4 slots to fashion your own cossies!
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Well... once again this sounds great, but in practice doesn't work because it's too simplistic.
Let's take as an example, the Unity Vigil. There is no UV 'uniform' as such, but the junior branch of the UV, the New Vigilants, does have a uniform. So, that's some of the SG has a uniform, some doesn't.
Then, the NV uniform has three options for 'glasses' a jacket with and without sleeves, and the option of two different types of leg-wear, depending on whether you prefer tight or loose.
It's a bit like all those Secret Identity set ups. It sounds great until you start realising that you are mechanising something which can be better done by human intervention.
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Let's take as an example, the Unity Vigil. There is no UV 'uniform' as such, but the junior branch of the UV, the New Vigilants, does have a uniform. So, that's some of the SG has a uniform, some doesn't.
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Actually, the Unity Vigil does have a uniform, though it's not mandatory. (Where as New Vigilants uniform is IIRC, encouraged.)
Also, it's pretty modable.
So that's... um, basically what you said, but more expansive, and totally unrelevant to the subject beyond the point made...
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I would much rather have a standalone SG mode only costume slot, fully optional to actually USE, that doesn't interfere with your regular costume slots but gets set by the SG leader. Possibly with settable options to certain allow parts of it to be changed...
That way, you get a slot for SG's that you only get when you're IN an SG, but you can decide if you want to use it or not when in SG mode. Everyone wins then.
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I would much rather have a standalone SG mode only costume slot, fully optional to actually USE, that doesn't interfere with your regular costume slots but gets set by the SG leader. Possibly with settable options to certain allow parts of it to be changed...
That way, you get a slot for SG's that you only get when you're IN an SG, but you can decide if you want to use it or not when in SG mode. Everyone wins then.
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No, but only because it's just an extra costume slot. It costs nothing to make an SG, so you get to level 10, and you make yourself an SG, and you get an extra costume slot. They might as well just hand out a slot at level 10. It would use fewer resources.
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No, but only because it's just an extra costume slot. It costs nothing to make an SG, so you get to level 10, and you make yourself an SG, and you get an extra costume slot. They might as well just hand out a slot at level 10. It would use fewer resources.
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The point is that's it's a limited slot. Sure, for 1 man SG's it's another slot, but for people actually in full SG's, it's not. It's merely a slot that is for the SG costume only, but they can choose to use it or not. It should use prestige to set it up and change, and any minor customisations made at the character level would cost inf.
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No, but only because it's just an extra costume slot. It costs nothing to make an SG, so you get to level 10, and you make yourself an SG, and you get an extra costume slot. They might as well just hand out a slot at level 10. It would use fewer resources.
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I actually approve of that. More slots are good, right?
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No, but only because it's just an extra costume slot. It costs nothing to make an SG, so you get to level 10, and you make yourself an SG, and you get an extra costume slot. They might as well just hand out a slot at level 10. It would use fewer resources.
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The point is that's it's a limited slot. Sure, for 1 man SG's it's another slot, but for people actually in full SG's, it's not. It's merely a slot that is for the SG costume only, but they can choose to use it or not. It should use prestige to set it up and change, and any minor customisations made at the character level would cost inf.
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Sounds like a good way to develop this idea. SG leader designs the SG cossie and members an change it a bit to give it their own flair.
Is such a option even really needed any more what with the ability to save costumes and the abundance of costume change tokens i for example have 3 slots on defender but have 5 costumes all 5 are saved and i can just swap them around as needed
If SGs wanted a costume all they would need to do is create the costume on a character that didn't have any special extras (cape, weapons, auras etc) save it and then host the file some where.
this would mean any one could have the SG costume and they could tweak it as they see fit (adding that robot arm(s)/legs, Hood, sunglasses etc)
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No, but only because it's just an extra costume slot. It costs nothing to make an SG, so you get to level 10, and you make yourself an SG, and you get an extra costume slot. They might as well just hand out a slot at level 10. It would use fewer resources.
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The point is that's it's a limited slot. Sure, for 1 man SG's it's another slot, but for people actually in full SG's, it's not. It's merely a slot that is for the SG costume only, but they can choose to use it or not. It should use prestige to set it up and change, and any minor customisations made at the character level would cost inf.
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Now, FFM, I know you know a bit about programming, so a specification like the one you gave there should probably make you cringe.
What, exactly, is 'minor customisation?'
I'll tell you what it is, too hard to define in a meaningful way, that's what it is.
No, either this slot is for a fixed, SG costume, which means it's useless for any SG which actually puts some thought into it, like Zortel has done with the NV, or it's a changeable costume slot, in which case you may as well just hand out a free slot at level 10.
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Is such a option even really needed any more what with the ability to save costumes and the abundance of costume change tokens i for example have 3 slots on defender but have 5 costumes all 5 are saved and i can just swap them around as needed
If SGs wanted a costume all they would need to do is create the costume on a character that didn't have any special extras (cape, weapons, auras etc) save it and then host the file some where.
this would mean any one could have the SG costume and they could tweak it as they see fit (adding that robot arm(s)/legs, Hood, sunglasses etc)
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Yes i would applaud such a mode. Why? Because i love designing costumes and I would hate to lose a costume because my SG likes us all to have the same costume. And I am not the only one, I met quite a few people who don't even want to consider doing that. Going to a tailor for every SG change is silly. Say you want to do SG business once a week then you would lose 2 of those free tailor sessions a week. Those free tailor session would be gone in one month.
But why bother with an SG costume in the first place? Easy, it is something to bind the fellow SG members together. I have seen it work in the SG's that use this.
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Now, FFM, I know you know a bit about programming, so a specification like the one you gave there should probably make you cringe.
What, exactly, is 'minor customisation?'
I'll tell you what it is, too hard to define in a meaningful way, that's what it is.
No, either this slot is for a fixed, SG costume, which means it's useless for any SG which actually puts some thought into it, like Zortel has done with the NV, or it's a changeable costume slot, in which case you may as well just hand out a free slot at level 10.
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Difficult to define? Possibly, but I deal with specifications like that on a regular basis, and it's really not THAT difficult. Define your parameters, allow the SG leader to select, say, a set range such as tech or arcane, and limit accordingly. Or, you could allow any costume piece, but limit pattern selection, or colour selection.
Or just not restrict it at all, and just have an SG mode only costume slot that the leader can preset, but everyone can change for their character. IMO, it's a better option than just giving another slot as, as others have said, many people don't want to devote one of their own slots for SG purposes. This way, they get one for SG use and don't have to lose one of their own.
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Is such a option even really needed any more what with the ability to save costumes and the abundance of costume change tokens i for example have 3 slots on defender but have 5 costumes all 5 are saved and i can just swap them around as needed
If SGs wanted a costume all they would need to do is create the costume on a character that didn't have any special extras (cape, weapons, auras etc) save it and then host the file some where.
this would mean any one could have the SG costume and they could tweak it as they see fit (adding that robot arm(s)/legs, Hood, sunglasses etc)
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Yes i would applaud such a mode. Why? Because i love designing costumes and I would hate to lose a costume because my SG likes us all to have the same costume. And I am not the only one, I met quite a few people who don't even want to consider doing that. Going to a tailor for every SG change is silly. Say you want to do SG business once a week then you would lose 2 of those free tailor sessions a week. Those free tailor session would be gone in one month.
But why bother with an SG costume in the first place? Easy, it is something to bind the fellow SG members together. I have seen it work in the SG's that use this.
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Well if it was me and i was doing SG stuff every week i would have my SG costume allocated to a slot permanently and have my least used costume stored away. but that's just me.
As to binding a group together surly that's the current point of the SG colors? the thing is a actual costume is never going to accommodate every players character are you going to force members to get rid of there robotic arm? or bestial legs? because they don't fit with the costume that's why colors work better every one can apply colors to there cu rent costume (unless there nude) and those colors unify the team.
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As to binding a group together surly that's the current point of the SG colors? the thing is a actual costume is never going to accommodate every players character are you going to force members to get rid of there robotic arm? or bestial legs? because they don't fit with the costume that's why colors work better every one can apply colors to there cu rent costume (unless there nude) and those colors unify the team.
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An SG cossie is more then just the colors. It defines things like capes, what chest pieces to use what pants to use what for patterns to use etc. The idea is to make a cossie set that makes everybody look as if they are from the same organization. Think longsbow they look pretty similar but have individual differences.
Of course some people wont be able to wear the standard issue sg cossie. They got cyber parts for example. For those the SG cossie should be adaptable. Thats what FFM is talking about above.
The SG leader designs the basic issue cossie with the SG tailor. This set would be available to everyone in a special SG costume slot. Then every individual can optimize this costume to fit his own personal look using the normal tailor for the normal fees within design parameters set by the SG leader.
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GrinningSpade has it phrased perfectly
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Except when dose that SG costume just become another costume plain old costume? if they can change everything its just another costume slot if they can only change it within parameters set by the SG leader what are they paramaters? you can change everything except the colors, then its just what we have the now. you can only change head details, that means any character that has monstrous legs or cyborg arms must accept they cant have them when in there SG mode.
I'm just failing to see how this SG costume slot could be achieved without either just giving every one in a SG another costume slot or alienating players why have spent a lot of time on there costume because it places to many restrictions on what the SG member can do to the costume to customise it.
And TheMESS has pointed out why GrinningSpade's system doesn't, in practice, work.
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I already said this. Either you make it a fixed costume slot, defined by the SG leader (which is just about impossible, by the way), or you are just giving people with an SG (read 'everyone') a free costume slot. Trying to produce a user interface which could handle 'rules' on what people are allowed to change and how would be far too much work for something like this.
Again: you are trying to mechanise something which is best handled by humans.
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How to have an SG costume slot, by Shadowe.
Firstly, tickboxes everywhere!
The SG leader then selects, by clicking the tickboxes, which options are available for the SG costume. If a particular cossie piece has no tick boxes selected, then ALL of them are available for player cutomisation. The SG Leader may also select the primary and/or secondary colours as the SG colours, or leave them available to the players.
If this were implemented, then it would allow, to a certain extent, customisation of costumes to suit individual characters, while still forcing them to fit within certain "Signature SG Costume Pieces".
Just a thought.
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Ok...
You either need a variation mechanism to handle male/female/huge models, or you need to massively subset the available choices since not every body type gets the same clothing pieces.
The more you look at this, the more complex it gets, or the less desireable it gets.
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Well, true, but correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a SG uniform something that every member of the SG should be able to get from the costume options? In which case, the list of options is far more restricted than you make it out to be.
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This came up when I read the tailor in tikki lounge thread.
A tailor in your SG.
Not a tailor with all the trims and stuff a normal tailor got. But a tailor who give you SG uniforms. The SG leader designs costumes for male/female/huge bodies. Then by clicking on the SG tailor your own costume will be temporarily replaced with the SG costume (leaving face/hair etc intact).
Great for Raids and SG missions. I am sure they will become popular again sometime.