Suggestion for more Synergy between AR and Devices

I still think the preponderance of S/L resists in the high level game makes AR underperform a little, with the redraw activation penalty being harsher than warranted for the 5% accuracy bonus of AR. Specifically it has an obvious thematic synergy with Devices, and yet weapon redraw penalises this set to the point where useful bread-and-butter powers (e.g. Web Grenade, Smoke Grenade, Caltrops) become a pain to use due to the redraw they cause. To fix it I suggest:-

Web Grenade - now launches out of the barrel of the AR (i.e. no weapon redraw), has longer range for AR users
Smoke Grenade - now launches out of the barrel of the AR
Taser - Shot from the AR - has longer range for AR users
Caltrops - now shot from AR as a grenade - has longer range for AR users

Additionally:-
Targeting Drone - Now increases range of Sniper Rifle as well as damage (to same as Psionic Lance).

I feel that this change would remove one of the remaining frustrations with the popular AR/Dev combo and complete it thematically.

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Web Grenade - now launches out of the barrel of the AR (i.e. no weapon redraw), has longer range for AR users - Not gonna happen any time soon, but I'd say yes
Smoke Grenade - now launches out of the barrel of the AR - Not gonna happen any time soon, but I'd say yes
Taser - Shot from the AR - has longer range for AR users - Not gonna happen any time soon, but I'd say yes

Caltrops - now shot from AR as a grenade - has longer range for AR users - I LIKE throwing them though


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Nice ideas though

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I think those all fall under the category of 'not going to happen ever' actually, since the NCNC aren't really into the habit of trying to push you down specific choices of powerset combinations.

Also, if they did do this for AR Blasters, they would be obliged to do it for most of the weapon using Scrappers in some way shape or form since:

a. Most of their damage is S/L.
b. They have redraw penalities and are forced to do so on using a secondary power.

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1) Shooting taser darts or caltrops from an assault rifle makes very little sense
2) What about my AR/Storm corr? why does a Ar/Dev (just blaster? or blaster+corr?) deserve special custom animations and improved secondary powers and she does not? I want my tornado grenade!
3) so far the game has been balanced powerset vs powerset rather than powerset combination vs powerset combination. Count the possible powerset combinations and you will see why that is and will remain so

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I do not suffer from altitis, I enjoy every character of it.

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tornado grenade!

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I agree with the OP that AR is a very hard set to chain, if thats even possible. The recharge on slug, without slots, is not enough to make it a valid 1-2 with burst. The M30 grenade doesnt break the chain too bad, but things like sniper and flamethrower definitely do.

This is just me, personally, but Id love to see beanbag replaced with something like the Heavy burst from VEATs. Not as long as full auto, but useful to stick into a chain. If theres anyone that has actually *taken* beanbag, and is unhappy about the idea, well, its just an idea and an opinion.

Although I dont see any of the other blaster primaries with stuns in them...are there any?

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Psst... Beanbag synergizes with Taser from Devices, letting you stun Bosses... More set synergy!

Also, Sonic Attack has a stun.

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Archery does: Stunning Shot, that I can instantly find.

And Psionic has Scramble Thoughts.

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Hmm, noted. Oh well.
Maybe just editing the animation for AR. The changing of firing from the hip to grenade to sniper shot is really clunky. If they had the rifle stock always to the shoulder, but the gun aimed down when 'at ease', it could be quicker to bring it up to sniper position for all the animations, only with differning activation times, etc.
But I know naff all about the technicalities...I just know its a swine to chain

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@Techbot; Most/all assault rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder, including the M60E3, used in many actions films fired needlessly from the hip. Firing from the waist unfortunately looks 'cool', so is used more often. /geek.exe

@OP; Many grenades like smoke and so forth are simply too-large to fit into a standard M40 grenade launcher, like flashbangs and many smoke grenades, meaning they have to be hand-launched. However! I think it's a cool idea, but unlikely to be implemented.

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@Techbot : oi! hands off my beanbags!

slotted with accuracy, duration and a knockback proc this is one of my staple powers, gives you plenty of time to finish off the rest or, if its a lone lieutenant/boss, gives time to get off a sniper shot followed swiftly by ... another beanbag

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Many grenades like smoke and so forth are simply too-large to fit into a standard M40 grenade launcher, like flashbangs and many smoke grenades, meaning they have to be hand-launched.

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This would sound so much more convincing if there was such a thing as an M40 grenade launcher. The M40 was an anti-tank gun.

The M203 which seems to fit better with the whacko AR design has multiple round types, including an armour piercing variant and a CS gas round. This page gives a fairly extensive list of potential 40mm grenade rounds, and there seems to be a smoke round in there as well.

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This would sound so much more convincing if there was such a thing as an M40 grenade launcher. The M40 was an anti-tank gun.

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;smackself. My mistake.

Edit: The M203 is what I saw in my mind, but due to yet another sleepless night, my PEBCAM.

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The M40 is also a sniper rifle. But given that there are very few assult weapons that do all of what is available in the power set, I'm not sure realism is high on the priority list.

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The M40 is also a sniper rifle. But given that there are very few assult weapons that do all of what is available in the power set, I'm not sure realism is high on the priority list.

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This, in major pedant mode I have to concur (god i need to find better things to do at work...ooh maybe..work? ) the M40 starts life as a remington 700 but is modified by the USMC, there are variations but the antitank version you speak of is actually the "recoilless" version that is vehicle mounted.

The weapon that AR is actually closest to is the M4 carbine ...which does come with underslung grenade launcher attachments (the M203 is the name of the detachable barrel not the rifle)

But im digressing here into uber nerdishness (too late I guess )

In response to the comments regarding the attack chain feeling "bitty" ...I think it was techbot alpha, I tend to agree but since its just a personal feeling on the flow of the powers I think it will differ between players and thier differing playstyles.

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"The box said Windows Vista or better - so I installed Linux"

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The M40 is also a sniper rifle.

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And a few other things. You'd think they'd try to avoid that. Oh well...

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But given that there are very few assult weapons that do all of what is available in the power set, I'm not sure realism is high on the priority list.

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I give you The Zorg Industries ZF-1. I know the flamethrower is mah favourite.

(I knew someone had to have put this on YouTube. )

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The real M40

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"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

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The M40 is also a sniper rifle.

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And a few other things. You'd think they'd try to avoid that. Oh well...


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Quick, there is a tank coming, pass me the M40....

*recieves gas mask as he is squashed*

Yup, sounds real smart to me.

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The M40 is also a sniper rifle.

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And a few other things. You'd think they'd try to avoid that. Oh well...

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But given that there are very few assult weapons that do all of what is available in the power set, I'm not sure realism is high on the priority list.

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I give you The Zorg Industries ZF-1. I know the flamethrower is mah favourite.

(I knew someone had to have put this on YouTube. )

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But I always need to push the red button, guess that means I wouldnt have that gun for long ...or an arm....or anything else for that matter

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"The box said Windows Vista or better - so I installed Linux"

Much smoother chaining would be a major boon, I think. And maybe a slightly bigger boost to +acc if thats not possible. It always feels like you come off worse for picking AR. I still like it a lot, but, eh...

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