changes for melee powers in tank/brute
By
Alvan,
Posted on: 2008-09-24 15:17 in Suggestions and Ideas
A lot of people would object to this.
The thread a while ago about power branching, to deal with this very issue, was a much better solution than presuming people want them replaced
Hedgehog ahahahaha what.
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what i would like to see is actual melee attacks
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Um, but hitting somebody with a weapon is a melee attack...
Besides, I like being able to hit people with a sword of pure fire.
However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
now I want a Hedgehog Melee powerset 
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I just want a hedgehog.
Made of ice?
Hedgehog powerset FTW
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why not go the whole way and have an Armadillo power set
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why not go the whole way and have an Armadillo power set
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No, that would be dumb. DUMB AS HELL.
I fully support Sorudo's idea of actual melee attacks for melee characters. This whole idea of swords = melee is rubbish. They're not standing right next to you when you swing your sword/hammer/orange at them, so they're short-ranged attacks. Note the 'ranged' part.
Soreudo has the right idea, but the implementation could be even better. Ice spikes (you mean stalegmites?) shooting up from the ground would still count as range...we need a little ice-fist to burst out from the toons' chest and WHAMMO! Cold Hand of Fate.
In short, Naruto made some good points. Also, I am a fish.
oh oh oh oh!!
Can I have Psychic Nuclear Hedgehogs please?
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If they're made of ice.
And NPH.
MoodNPH.
Awesome.
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MoodNPH.
Awesome.
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THEY ARE NOT MOOD-REACTIVE. They just change colour, okay?
I dunno MoodNPH would be both mood reactive and colour changing, but because it's NPH it'd always be the colour of awesome.
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I dunno MoodNPH would be both mood reactive and colour changing, but because it's NPH it'd always be the colour of awesome.
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Unless it belonged to you. Then it'd be the colour of the opposite of awesome.
You.
Since when was NPH an it?
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Since when was NPH an it?
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but because it's NPH it'd
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I LIKE PONIES YAY PONIES!
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Okay good to know.
While I personally like the elemental weapons. I can see why some people wouldnt want them. the branching idea a while ago waas a thing I liked.
However the changes suggested here do more then just altering the visuals of the power. And I happen to think those powers are fine as they are and wish not to trash toons because people dont like the visuals.
Therefore.
/Very very much Unsigned!
I happen to like the elemental weapons too, and agree with GrinningSpade here. And would prefer not to sign the originally suggested idea here.
So...
/No.
If you don't like the power, Well, you're free to -not- take it if it bothers you that much. Although I can't exactly say much about the consequences of doing so. :\
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Hugely /unsigned - if the devs were to make wholesale changes to popular power groups every time someone said they didn't like the way a few things looked, they'd never get anything else done.
And some of the requested alternarives are rather majorly unbalanced - take this power (my emphasis):
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-dragon fire heard(replace greater fire sword)
for a limited amount of time, your powers are instant recharged and you do 3x more damage.
when this is over, you have no endurance and lose 20% of your health.
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...then go with the Nuke...pop a blue...Nuke...pop a blue...Nuke cycle for a while.
And given that you're doing 3x damage you'd probably only need one nuke to clear a spawn - Fire/Kins, eat your heart out. 
Edit: Ah - Tanks/Brutes only, not Blasters' fire secondary which I'd mistakenly assumed. OK, ignore my comments about the nuke. IMHO still a very bad idea generally, though.
No thanks while i dislike the mix of fist and weapon attacks that appear within the elemental melee sets your suggestion wouldn't help for a start the powers are no where near balanced.
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fire melee:
-fire pillar(replace fire sword)
punch at the feet of the target enemy to make a fire pillar, target enemy and everyone adjusting to the enemy takes dmg.
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so your changing a single target attack into a AOE which could work with tankers if the damage etc was properly balanced its no good for scrappers and brutes as there fire melee is single target based.
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-fire burst(replace fire sword circle)
concentrate your firepower inside your body and burst it out, knocking everyone around you back and takes burning damage overtime.
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adding knock back no thanks for a fire tank having things near you is good cause they die if mobs get knocked back out of melee range and revert to ranged attacks that's not gonna help the tanker.
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-dragon fire heard(replace greater fire sword)
for a limited amount of time, your powers are instant recharged and you do 3x more damage.
when this is over, you have no endurance and lose 20% of your health.
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Say what? Your going to do away with fire melees best single target attack and replace it with a super build up. Instant recharged and 3x more damage is way to much and to make it worse at the end of it you have no end and %20 less health. So all your toggles will drop and you'll die not very good if your the tank then your team may very well die. If your a scrapper your not killing mobs so your team may die. If your a brute your not doing any damage and worse you've just lost all your fury
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ice melee:
-frost hedgehog(replaces ice sword)
punch the ground to create a burst of ice spikes from the ground.
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unless this is a ranged attack its gonna look stupid apart from that seems ok provided its single target
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-friezing feats(replacing greater ice sword)
frieze your legs temporary,you can't be knocked back or down and you gain a higher resistant against fire attacks.
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say what your replacing one of ice's few melee attacks with whats basically a click armour which wouldn't actually be of any benefit unless you were fire or dark
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stone melee:
-stone spikes(replacement for stone mallet)
punch target enemy, when this hits your fist bursts out stone spikes randomly around you striking stone damage at everyone who is caught in the burst.
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again switching a single target attack for a AOE this would definitely impact stones great single target burst damage which wouldn't exactly help a set that's already some what ham strung by its use of purely smashing damage
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-earthquake(replacement for heavy stone mallet)
punch the ground with your fist, knocking everyone down around you, this does no damage.
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now i know you've lost the plot lessening stones damage again and even worse stone already has a move that dose this
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i don't ask to remove the weapons entirely, we always have the stalker/scrapper
i just don't see why we should have a weapon in a fist melee row. 
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no where dose it say that fire melee, ice melee, stone melee are fist based sets if there names were fire/ice/stone fist fighting i could see your point but its not. Melee simply refers to a style of combat that happens up close
I want an frost hedgehog mastermind.
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one thing keeps bothering me is that every elemental melee power has a weapon, something that just doesn't belong there.
what i would like to see is actual melee attacks, no transformed weapons where i wounder "i didn't ask for a stone hammer power, i want stone melee"
but in order to change it, there needs to be some replacements.
fire melee:
-fire pillar(replace fire sword)
punch at the feet of the target enemy to make a fire pillar, target enemy and everyone adjusting to the enemy takes dmg.
-fire burst(replace fire sword circle)
concentrate your firepower inside your body and burst it out, knocking everyone around you back and takes burning damage overtime.
-dragon fire heard(replace greater fire sword)
for a limited amount of time, your powers are instant recharged and you do 3x more damage.
when this is over, you have no endurance and lose 20% of your health.
ice melee:
-frost hedgehog(replaces ice sword)
punch the ground to create a burst of ice spikes from the ground.
-friezing feats(replacing greater ice sword)
frieze your legs temporary,you can't be knocked back or down and you gain a higher resistant against fire attacks.
stone melee:
-stone spikes(replacement for stone mallet)
punch target enemy, when this hits your fist bursts out stone spikes randomly around you striking stone damage at everyone who is caught in the burst.
-earthquake(replacement for heavy stone mallet)
punch the ground with your fist, knocking everyone down around you, this does no damage.
i don't ask to remove the weapons entirely, we always have the stalker/scrapper
i just don't see why we should have a weapon in a fist melee row.