Offline costume Creator
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For one if marvel had *** to bar NCsoft from releasing a offline or standalone creator they would have aimed to do so globally
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They may have aimed to do so globally, but since such a ban would be impossible under Korean law. there is nothing Marvel could do about it, short of invading Korea.
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Sorry i didn't realize that you were a expert in Korean law i shall bow to your greater knowledge on this point
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laws between the US and UK and the hole of the EU for that matter.
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There are agreements in place between the EU and the US, and some harmonisation. No such agreements exist with Korea.
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yes theres some harmonization but theres not that much and if memory serves correctly the laws differ on some very key points also since the entire issue of intellectual property and creator owned material is currently under revision it could all change
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Even if NCsoft were foolish anuff
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Not foolish. As already pointed out, there are comercial reasons why releasing an off line costume creator would not be a good for buisiness. And if the choice is btween agreeing to not release an off line costume editor and paying another vast sum to lawyers/Marvel/risk having the game shut down, then it would be foolish not to make such an agreement.
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one example of why it may not be financially available was pointed out however it turn that round and it could be used as a hook to draw in more subscribers its all about marketing and i don't think i ever suggested it should be free to non subscribers?
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i very much doubt that the agreement is air tight such things can be over turned (assuming its even a legal agreement)
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Sure, it could be overturned, after paying your lawyers another vast sum of money.
You would rather have an off line character generator than issues 13, 14 and 15?
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all in all this is still all based of assumptions we have no idea what is in the marvel / ncsoft-cryptic agreement we have no idea if that agreement still stands after the change in IP ownership
My point still stands until a Dev gives a definet yes or no to the possibility its still a valid suggestion as we have no way of knowing for sure weather or not the Devs can or cannot release some form of costume designer/creator
Yes we do as they did in Korea, but not US or EU and People were warned off trying to get hold of it if they were in those two territories.
so what part of that says to you that they can release one here?
Which part says they cant?
For all we know the costume creator was part of the Korean marketing program
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You give people the chance to play with one of CoX's biggest drawing points, without paying the subs, you run the risk of them becoming disinterested---as they've effectively had their cake and eaten it too, without NCsoft getting *any* benefit.
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Very good i'm glad were able to keep things civil and ill repeat again as some seem to have difficulty reading
There is as far as im aware no official word on weather or not off line or stand alone costume creator could be released for city of heroes people who state there is are assuming this based on the fact that there was a limited costume creator released in Korea (also i believe there was one given away at some of the conventions)but this same costume creator was not released out side of Korea.
but i repeat there has not been a official statement from NC soft stating that those assumptions are true.
As to the original topic of this post
I think its a good idea and it has some posabilites marketed correctly it could act as good "hook" to real in new players. also i believe its something that the current player base would receive well especially if costumes could be saved and then loaded into the full game
if such i thing could be stand alone or would perhaps have to have some form of limited server side support for costume updates etc i don't know as I'm no programmer
ill add my 2 cents
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you cant find it online and you most certainly cannot tweek the reg key not turning it into english.
thats what i heard/read about it but definetly have not seen/done or posibly been told by an unreliable drunk in a pub perhaps in a dream.
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There is as far as im aware no official word on weather or not off line or stand alone costume creator could be released for city of heroes people who state there is are assuming this based on the fact that there was a limited costume creator released in Korea (also i believe there was one given away at some of the conventions)but this same costume creator was not released out side of Korea.
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Actually, going by what Bridger said to us when the Korean version first went live and this offline costume creator became known, there HAS been official word that they cannot release it in the US or Europe for, what he said at the time, were "legal reasons". That's all he said. We can discuss and argue until the cows come home, but Bridger told us the facts at the time. They cannot release it to use due to "legal reasons". Make of that what you will.
He also said that this designer was NOT, in fact, written especially for the Koreans, but it was in fact written specifically for taking to various exhibitions before the game was actually finished.
I still have it on my HD somewhere, but I can tell you now, it is hopelessly out of date. All the costumes in it predate issue 6 and it's really not worth bothering about anymore.
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There is as far as im aware no official word on weather or not off line or stand alone costume creator could be released
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It seems you have dificulty understanding what a confidential agreement is. This means that neither side is alowed to say what was in the agreement. I.e. It would not be possible for anyone to give official confirmation. However, there is no other reason why they would stamp on the distribution of the Korean version, unless they had too.
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also i believe there was one given away at some of the conventions
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There was one used as a demo at conventions, promoting the release of CoV. It wasn't given away.
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actually thats not true praf they could come out and give a definitive answer.
what they cant do is discuse in depth what is within the agreement.
As to the giving it away i was working from a article that was talking about the release of CoH ill see if i can track it down again if any ones interested
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actually thats not true praf they could come out and give a definitive answer.
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Eh, no. You clearly understand less about law than you do about programming. They can't discuss anything in the agreement, at all. they can't even say what is in the agrement. You might try looking up confidential in a dictionary sometime.
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As to the giving it away i was working from a article that was talking about the release of CoH ill see if i can track it down again if any ones interested
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Anything from before CoH was released would be irelevent, since the court case hadden't happened then.
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actually thats not true praf they could come out and give a definitive answer.
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Eh, no. You clearly understand less about law than you do about programming. They can't discuss anything in the agreement, at all. they can't even say what is in the agrement. You might try looking up confidential in a dictionary sometime.
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No i think you'll find that a non disclosure agrement actualy specifies what you cant descuse so again your asuming the discusion of a costume creator is banned under the agrement
exept you cant know that for sure. Unless you were there, have seen the agrement or have been told what the agrement contains
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a non disclosure agrement
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We are not talking about an NDA like players sign up to (which would never hold up if tested in court). We are talkng about an out of legal court settlement made under the legal system of the USA.
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exept you cant know that for sure.
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The terms of such agreements are standard. So yes, we can know for sure.
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It has long fallen off the US forum, but I do remember the Devs saying, in no uncertain terms, that they wouldn't be doing an offline creator - so this whole topic is probably moot - just like all of the other topics in the past asking for the same thing.
After just reading all this it is painfully obvious we wont get an offline cossy creator. Idea
33 months and counting of Paragon heroism (and villany)
Onyx: Frostbane (TNK), Vanguard (SCR), Monolith (WS),
Mindswipe (DEF), Martyr (DEF), Pyre (CON), Pulsar (DEF),
JuJinKai (MM)
After just reading all this it is painfully obvious we wont get an offline cossy creator. Idea
33 months and counting of Paragon heroism (and villany)
Onyx: Frostbane (TNK), Vanguard (SCR), Monolith (WS),
Mindswipe (DEF), Martyr (DEF), Pyre (CON), Pulsar (DEF),
JuJinKai (MM)
After just reading all this it is painfully obvious we wont get an offline cossy creator. Ideas from this though could be a SG cossy database that is available to choose - everyone has a costume slot for the SG costume which all in the SG could access from a station or room in the base?
33 months and counting of Paragon heroism (and villany)
Onyx: Frostbane (TNK), Vanguard (SCR), Monolith (WS),
Mindswipe (DEF), Martyr (DEF), Pyre (CON), Pulsar (DEF),
JuJinKai (MM)
Man four in a row - impressive.
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Man four in a row - impressive.
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I haven't really got the hang of this
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in the context of this thread no bad thing
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Man four in a row - impressive.
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No, YOU'RE impressive
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Personally, I think it would be a better idea if we could save a costume to disc, and reload it on another slot when needed. That keeps the thing in a purely online, in-game context, but allows you to copy costume designs to other slots or even to other characters (obviously, body type would need to remain the same).
That, I think, is a far more workable idea that would remain within the rules of any legal agreements. Even more so if they encrypt the save file, though that wouldn't really be necessary.
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