Offline costume Creator

Dont know if this has been suggested before, but here goes. Having seen so many of us using the new Spore Creature
Creator, i was wondering if we could have a similar thing for the costume/build creator.

I was thinking of Basically it being a downloadable version of icon that you can build your toon with, then upload to the normal servers once you've done. Obviously i dont know how difficult it would be to implement or if even possible.

Yes It's been suggested before.

In fact, it exists.

However it is not available outside Korea because of the terms of settlement of the legal dispute with Marvel.

Shot in the foot in terms of drawing in new players.

You give people the chance to play with one of CoX's biggest drawing points, without paying the subs, you run the risk of them becoming disinterested---as they've effectively had their cake and eaten it too, without NCsoft getting *any* benefit.

The spore one works well, because of the huge hype behind it, it's offline (despite being a 'Massively Singple Player online game') and there are probably a huuuuge number of pre-orders...plus it's restricted (only the very first tier of DNA parts)

The CoX, if unlimited and open, would be a bad idea in a business PoV, if you ask me. Heck, part of my experience is the fun of rolling new alts and making new costumes for them, or per new cossy slot

i think just having a program which we download so we can spend time trying every option would be cool n u get updates everytime there is new costume peices or something

cos u wouldnt need to upload it as if u have put time and effet into a cossie you rember most parts of it so u could just jump ingame n make it quickly before ppl start sending you tells or invites to teams

i know its roughly the same thing as judgement said but its a great idea WE NEED ONE lol

They can't. They are not alowed. Not even with partial options.

Ok, what about this?

Offline Costume Creaotr

A limited version is available to the public (Maybe)
If you own the game you can create a toon from scratch and keep it in slots (Like the proper game) if you want you can import it to CoX without a fee and avoiding the stress of remaking.

What part of "not alowed to" "part of a legally binding agreement" is so difficult to understand.

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[...]so u could just jump ingame n make it quickly before ppl start sending you tells or invites to teams


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*sarcasm on*
Ah! What game are you playing and where can I join?!
*sarcasm off*

Would be a good addition, not seeing it come to life.

@Xemulas: the free Spore one gives you 25% of the available parts, the paid for one, gives you complete access to all the parts. It still works because:
a) you don't get to see how your creatures will handle in the "real world"
2) you get a rebate on the price of the full game when it comes out
iii) uh... hmmm... gah! darn it, can't remember what the other one was..

there is always a way rong aggreements praf m8

Tho they could follow the Spore example and have a partial costume creator which is free to download and a full version that could be purchased for a small fee.

The problem would be how to handle capes auras and veat reward/TF stuff i suppose they could some how link the creator to your game account and so you could only play about with the costume parts you already had available

Yes, and they usually involve the part who wants to go around them having to pay ludicrous amounts of money to the wronged party OR spending a government paid compulsory vacation in one of the lovely facilities for people who have trouble understanding laws and abiding by them.

im not saying to break the law i just mean there is ways around it by both sides agreeing or something so that their customers or wot like are happy as well as themselves

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What part of "not alowed to" "part of a legally binding agreement" is so difficult to understand.

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The Question is what dose the legally binding agreement actually preclude them from doing? also dose the agreement even exist any more could it have been rendered null and void with the change in ownership of IP?

also with the likes of heromachine all ready out there and pretty well established and the fact that marvel has not a (as far as I'm aware) taken action aghenst them could they not show that marvel dosen't have ground to block the release of a CoH hero creator?

They're not allowed to release it because then people can make Marvel rip-offs without NCSoft being able to do anything about it.

And when one side doesn't want to agree to it? Bearing in mind that the other side in this instance is Marvel?

It's not going to happen.

I'm sure Marvel is quite reasonable when it comes to people messing up with their intellectual property...

Isn't that where those stupid license agreement things come in saying things along the lines of "by clicking yes i agree not to infringe on IP not owned by me" or my fav "I agree by opening this box i will not use the parts to make explosives" (who new cysco switches could do so many things)

Also out of curiosity dose a transcript exist on the net of the cryptic / marvel lawsuit

No.

For those who don't remember, when CoH first launched, Marvel attempted to sue Cryptic over infringment of interlectual property. basically they didn't want people using the costume editor to create copies of Marvel characters, online or offline.

The case was eventually settled out of court (with both sides having paid lots of money to lawyers). The terms of the settlement are confidential (this is normal) so there is no transcript.

However there are a couple of things it is possible to deduce about the terms.

1) NCSoft agreed to rigerously enforce the EULA with regard to rip of names and costumes.

2) They agreed not to release an off line version of thier costume creator.

We know this, because when the game was released in Korea, they did release an off line version of the costume creator (the agreement wouldn't be binding in Korea). And they where very very quick to stamp on anyone who imported the Korean version, and quite quickly withdrew it when it became apparent they wouldn't be able to keep it in Korea.

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cos u wouldnt need to upload it as if u have put time and effet into a cossie you rember most parts of it so u could just jump ingame n make it quickly before ppl start sending you tells or invites to teams

[/ QUOTE ]Which is how it works anyway when you first start and now with the new hide menu you can hide from invites, search, and tells when you are in the tailor.

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The spore one works well, because of the huge hype behind it, it's offline (despite being a 'Massively Singple Player online game') and there are probably a huuuuge number of pre-orders...plus it's restricted (only the very first tier of DNA parts)

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-the trail gives 25% of all parts, not connected to DNA tier.

-the full version gives you 100% of all parts.

-the modify-ed one gives 75%, if you copy the DATA map of the full version in the trail version map.

so it all depends on what you have.

There is this option:

Hero Machine

It's completely unrelated to either Marvel or NCSoft so can be used totally independently. Clearly you won't get all the costume options but you will be able to play with concepts and colour schemes etc.

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

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No.

For those who don't remember, when CoH first launched, Marvel attempted to sue Cryptic over infringment of interlectual property. basically they didn't want people using the costume editor to create copies of Marvel characters, online or offline.

The case was eventually settled out of court (with both sides having paid lots of money to lawyers). The terms of the settlement are confidential (this is normal) so there is no transcript.

However there are a couple of things it is possible to deduce about the terms.

1) NCSoft agreed to rigerously enforce the EULA with regard to rip of names and costumes.

2) They agreed not to release an off line version of thier costume creator.

We know this, because when the game was released in Korea, they did release an off line version of the costume creator (the agreement wouldn't be binding in Korea). And they where very very quick to stamp on anyone who imported the Korean version, and quite quickly withdrew it when it became apparent they wouldn't be able to keep it in Korea.

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While yes i would say NCsoft and cryptic agreed to enforce the EULA there is nothing to suggest that they agreed not to release a stand alone costume creator.

For one if marvel had *** to bar NCsoft from releasing a offline or standalone creator they would have aimed to do so globally not just limit it to the US and EU, it could be argue that Korean laws regarding IP differ but then so do those laws between the US and UK and the hole of the EU for that matter. So i would doubt that they would go to the trouble of blocking it across the US and EU and then stop at Korea.

Even if NCsoft were foolish anuff to agree to never releasing a costume creator i very much doubt that the agreement is air tight such things can be over turned (assuming its even a legal agreement)

all in all until some one in the knowe comes along and says we signed X and so can never ever ever do a standalone character creator and the agreement is completely and utterly air tight and legally binding all we can do is assume things based on very little concrete information.

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2) They agreed not to release an off line version of thier costume creator.

We know this, because when the game was released in Korea, they did release an off line version of the costume creator (the agreement wouldn't be binding in Korea). And they where very very quick to stamp on anyone who imported the Korean version, and quite quickly withdrew it when it became apparent they wouldn't be able to keep it in Korea.


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Sorry, but you seemed to miss/ignore this bit.

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2) They agreed not to release an off line version of thier costume creator.

We know this, because when the game was released in Korea, they did release an off line version of the costume creator (the agreement wouldn't be binding in Korea). And they where very very quick to stamp on anyone who imported the Korean version, and quite quickly withdrew it when it became apparent they wouldn't be able to keep it in Korea.


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Sorry, but you seemed to miss/ignore this bit.

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Nope i never

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For one if marvel had *** to bar NCsoft from releasing a offline or standalone creator they would have aimed to do so globally not just limit it to the US and EU, it could be argue that Korean laws regarding IP differ but then so do those laws between the US and UK and the hole of the EU for that matter. So i would doubt that they would go to the trouble of blocking it across the US and EU and then stop at Korea.

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As to the stamping on thats actually covered in prafs first point which i agree with NC soft and cryptic (at the time) have to be seen to enforce there own guidlines there for if it was aghest the EULA to distrabute the costume creatore without NCsoft/cryptics consent which it likely was as thats a pretty standared clause in such things they had to take action i wouldnt be suprised if there wasn't some penalty if they didn't in a similar way that the holder of IP (or it could be copy right minds a bit hazy) looses there rights to there own material if they dont defend it.

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For one if marvel had *** to bar NCsoft from releasing a offline or standalone creator they would have aimed to do so globally

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They may have aimed to do so globally, but since such a ban would be impossible under Korean law. there is nothing Marvel could do about it, short of invading Korea.

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laws between the US and UK and the hole of the EU for that matter.

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There are agreements in place between the EU and the US, and some harmonisation. No such agreements exist with Korea.

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Even if NCsoft were foolish anuff

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Not foolish. As already pointed out, there are comercial reasons why releasing an off line costume creator would not be a good for buisiness. And if the choice is btween agreeing to not release an off line costume editor and paying another vast sum to lawyers/Marvel/risk having the game shut down, then it would be foolish not to make such an agreement.

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i very much doubt that the agreement is air tight such things can be over turned (assuming its even a legal agreement)


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Sure, it could be overturned, after paying your lawyers another vast sum of money.

You would rather have an off line character generator than issues 13, 14 and 15?