Mace, longer cast time than Mu but more secondary effects.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I would have to go with none, do the arc until you get the respec but i wouldnt bother with any of the powers, the ppp for brutes are all abit rubbish imo
Exactly. While other brutes might find a use for one or two of the powers the redraw issues and power/slot investment makes them especially useless for DB brutes.
Some of the arcs are nice, though, and you might want to choose a thematically fitting patron for that toon.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Heh, I couldn't really think of one that would fit, like you put it, thematically. 
I'd say if you want to go by theme, the closest would be Black Scorpion as his patron powers are all from the Mace weapon and web grenades and such would be in keeping with the overall.
Of course its more flexible for Starshrapnel my DB/elec as I will prob go for Scirroco for theme (and a decent ranged attack)
Actually, if I'd consider taking any powers, then you're right (mace is closest to being 'natural'). However, if I'd skip any patron powers and just go with a 'most fitting patron', then I'd have to chose between Scorpion (tech) and Mako (similar attitude to my char). 
Oooooooooooh, that's a tough choice...
In one case you have probably the dumbest patron imaginable and get to visit Nemesis' base in the Shadow Shards, slaughtering his minions by the dozen. Last time I had that one I couldn't stop resetting it before I had levelled.
In the other case you get a more 'respectable' patron and get that mission with those fountains in the Leviathan cave that everybody hates unless he has decent armour against psi which you just happen to have... Of course you would also have to fight Mako who is no pushover at all, but that should not be the problem. 
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Web Envelope:
* 17.88 second Immobilize (magnitude 3) to Target if (target = critter)
* 11.92 second Immobilize (magnitude 3) to Target if (target = player)
* -16% RechargeTime Enhancement to Target for 15 seconds
* -16% RunSpeed to Target for 15 seconds
* -16% FlySpeed to Target for 15 seconds
* -50000% JumpHeight to Target for 15 seconds
* -10 Fly to Target for 15 seconds
Looks good to me. As a Dual Blade there's a lot there I can't do.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
The power itself is nice for PvP (if that pesky flying squishy just won't come into range ) but that's basically that (and DB is not exactly made for PvP). If we look at the effects in PvE:
- Immob (especially AoE) is something you will hardly ever want to use as a DB brute. You can only really use it after the fight has begun and all the enemies are cuddling with you in the middle. Actually it can even decrease your efficiency as circumstances might command you to change your position and the immob keeps the enemies from following you and staying in melee range.
- The -16% recharge/run speed/fly speed is not something that has a big impact. Not worth the time and endurance. True, you can not do this with DB, but that is hardly a loss.
- Decreased jump height... in PvE... yay!
- And the occasions where you need -fly are not exactly numerous either. Even worse: In most cases where you might want opponents to not be able to fly you most certainly do not want them to be immobilised at the same time.
So, that leaves us with a lot of effects that can not be done with DB but are imo not nearly useful enough to justify a power pick, slotting, a lengthy animation and the weapon redraw. It's just a bad deal.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Thats like saying all patrons are a bad deal to the DB set.
Its definitely the patron pick to me. The -fly sealed it.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Thats like saying all patrons are a bad deal to the DB set.
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Its definitely the patron pick to me. The -fly sealed it.
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If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Have to agree, best patron for a DB/WP is... none.
Some brutes have loose enough build to fit a few patron powers in there and be really useful, DB/WP usually dont.
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Thats like saying all patrons are a bad deal to the DB set.
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Its definitely the patron pick to me. The -fly sealed it.
[/ QUOTE ]Like I said DB brutes are nothing to go into PvP with and -fly is not remotely as useful in PvE. As a DB/WP brute it's highly unlikely that your build allows you to take and slot this one. As I say: If you have to take this power for concept reasons feel free, but for anything else it's just not worth it.
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No patron means no badge.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
pick a patron do the arc get the free respec forget the powers.
I dont what build you have in the way of pool powers but I would go down that road maybe get leadership for tactics which is always very useful for a dw 
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Funny, I have not a single patron power with my EM/WP but still got the badge. Nothing forces you to take any patron power after completing the arc.
Take a patron for the badge, choose a patron who fits the toon's concept, but no power in any of the pools should have a saying in it as they are all basically useless for DB/WP.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
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Funny, I have not a single patron power with my EM/WP but still got the badge. Nothing forces you to take any patron power after completing the arc.
Take a patron for the badge, choose a patron who fits the toon's concept, but no power in any of the pools should have a saying in it as they are all basically useless for DB/WP.
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I said "No patron no badge" not "No patron power no badge" so it would be Black Scorpion if concept doesn't matter.
The power is useless for "your" DB/WP brute ofc it wouldn't be for mine but I have to go Leviathon cos of my concept. Yeah a pirate.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I already said, that even if I'm not to pick any powers, picking a patron is kinda hard, as none of them buggers fit with my character.
Mako has the attitude, but he's more for mutates, while Scorpion... well, he's more natural (tho more for tech/science characters).
People under estimate secondary effects. I can do without a lot of "must haves in the team" for when Invulns tank Mother Mayhem on the basis of them. Using -fly I can make it so I could tell anyone who can heal me or heal anyone else to bugger off.
Its not just that. If I can't fly and yet I need an AV down (ie Siege) I like to bring them down. I know alot of Domies etc come packed with -fly villain side but I don't have an ideal team. I have random team. Things become about what have we got and how we can use it.
If concept didn't win and I didn't have to pick Mako then I would of picked Scorpion above all others.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
It's just that there is no DB/WP brute in the whole world who would ever come into a situation where he had to fight Mother Mayhem as Invuln. (You might spot the two mistakes in that example yourself. )
Believe me, I have bucketloads of experience playing WP brutes and I know there is not a single Hero/AV in CoV where one had any use for -fly.
I am not underestimating secondary effects or anything, but I am not underestimating synergies or the lack thereof either. The most prominent example of a situation where -fly is useful in CoV is probably Caleb who is quite hard to fight for non-flying teammates if not brought down to the earth (or more likely into the water ). However, I don't see why of all toons in the team the DB/WP brute should bring the -fly. Every single brute with a primary other than DB would have an easier time bringing -fly as Air Sup is not unlikely to be part of their attack chain anyway. Then there are /psi dominators with their excellent Subdue, the ever present MMs with Black Scorpion, stalkers and every other toon that has -fly as a perfectly fitting part of their arsenal without having to actually take away something from their overall strength to get it because that power has no place in their arsenal other than for some few very special situations like the DB/WP brute would have to.
So, if concept didn't win and I didn't have to pick Mako then I would have rolled a dice or decided by the length of a patron's nose or whatever. The powers are irrelevant.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Like the title suggests, what's a good patron pool for a Dual Blades / Willpower brute?