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I was going to add that Siphon Life lowered my DPS for the issue I had it, it went back up when I got Aid Self because I dont need healing that often. My attack chain is a bit strange though because it uses my epic to fill the gaps and I'm sure there are more efficient ones out there. Doesn't alter the fact that Aid Self left it higher than Siphon Life did.
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Well under elude conditions I have been running around the top of the rikti ship pulling crates down getting bombs with maybe using it 3 times. It is considered overpowered but something they won't change.."good!" Under normal conditions I could block myself and use it but I don't see myself getting hit that often so maybe only use it between fights. It is interruptable and thats a downside.
A def of 50% all round isn't a bad thing versus -def considered that debuff is rife in CoH but I was more interested in minning to 45 without the usual method involved.
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I wouldn't like to play DM without ToF though, if you take my ToF away I might as well play a different scrapper. Its what makes DM interesting to me. But then I'd never try to make a 45% def build. I'd rather be avtively trying to survive than passively. And when I say actively I dont mean just by clicking a heal but using possitioning and status effects. At least thats what I see DM adding for me. Now on my claws/wp I just want to kill stuff faster than they kill me and I'm far more likely to Min/Max for survival. But all the time avoiding hasten like the plague
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Thats a lot like me really I prefer active defense for survivability and am a big fan of secondary effects. The game shouldn't come to deal damage and whose got the best shields.
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I am considering at looking what I can make recharge wise cheap though (on my DM/SR), without having hasten in my build or changing my power selection too much.
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Well I think I got myself recharge of more than haste in my build and when you consider there is not much to recharge. Without properly getting into attack chains I don't know if thats all that worth it. Aid self down to 8 secs is an ideal tho.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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If I had my excel I could find from power breakdowns the pros and cons
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Ok, WE need that Excel. Honestly, we need it.
I finally made up my mind, going for the Aid Self build. On the other hand, I am getting chicken and now thinking between ToF or Elude. I seldom use Elude, but it's the best panic button in game, ToF is great power to have, but Elude is Elude, dammit, choices choices 
I think playing with IO builds is just an exercise. At 50 PVE doesn't necessarily require people to have more than SOs at all. If you die within a team there was always some way of going about things differently usually.
If my scrappers could be "finished".
We'd have:
Scrapper giving team buffs. Scrapper Tanking AVs. An invuln with the right build versus Mother Mayhem can be so easily done on SOs no problem. Scrappers still defeating multiple foes faster than any other AT "overall" with reasonable survivability. The lower the fight duration and for those particularly with taunt auras used means less chance for squishies to get mullered.
A total possibility in my book is the Master of the STF scrapper tanked. Those saying "no you need a stonetank" would not make it in through my sgs doors.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Scrapper Tanking AVs. An invuln with the right build versus Mother Mayhem can be so easily done on SOs no problem.
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Have you disclosed your top secret incredible AV tanking method while I've been away?
I think its going to be worked out soon by other people once they IO up. You didn't need IOs but its nice to have other people work it out. What is a game without your own chance to discover things already?
I went on the internet, read guild wars storyline, thought "why bother playing?". My dad has 20s and he describes the PVE game as "mowing the lawn" and so the only reason to keep playing is possibly for the PvP, with which my first experience of having tried it had me in stitches.
I have to like guides for not mentioning everything at least.
Welcome back btw.
The all scrapper STF has always got someone who can't make the time at the weekend or a no show, I have shown a couple of more union players and it might go union around xmas hopefully. I spilled the beans on GW whilst completely drunk. So some people do already know and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out everyone knew but without the total details. Its cheeky but then its also a 12+ game.
Abilities of AVs differ and all you do is play against them.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I think u need a stone tank
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I have a stone tank thanks. They aren't necessary.
Here
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
hmmm maybe this would help u then
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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hmmm maybe this would help u then
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Being that I don't need any help with any part of the PVE game in any diverse team make up "at all" I don't need to click on it.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
ahhh ok np good luck with that but in case u change your mind heres another
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l6nSmV3F-wo
Dammit!!
I've been rickrolled... again!!
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Dammit!!
I've been rickrolled... again!!
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/em fishslap! 
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Got chickeny on the last minute and kept Elude. Not happy so far with Aid Self, my survivability was higher with just Siphon Life, helped me keep my green bar at maximum. Now suddenly, Nemesis have become tough and Aid Self gets interrupted constantly because of DoT.
Ah well, it's either have my scrappers collecting dust till next vet respec / freespec or farm for respec recipes.
Hold up a minute. When at eluded levels of defense not a lot hits you but DoT can be a bit of a curse. DoT with -Def a bigger curse. Aid self is interruptable but choosing a moment often reduces its interruptability. You haven't had it long. So often do people pick a power up and cry "aaargh", respec out and then don't get to find its overall usefulness that often may come later. ToF still there? I'd of ToF'd to aid self but Nems I believe are a little bit more resilient to it. Siphon Life doesn't get interrupted but it does require you in melee, can miss and still lower your dps. With a build of 45% def without elude you don't need elude and so really thats for PvP. I currently find the heal from siphon life too small personally. Plenty more of the game to look at than just Nems. Who SRs hate anyway. At 50 I only find Shadow Servants particularly hard other than alphas as a Claws/SR with Aid Self. 45% def and Aid self is pretty survivable up on the UFO you can have aggro cap, open grates, touch the bomb and be back in the centre in time for tea.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Aid self is possible to use in between most DoT ticks, only hidden ticks stop me using mine. That's with two interupts in anyway.
It took a bit of practise for that to be the case but its now fairly simple. Things like Rad toggles on you are a pain though cause you cant see when they tick, but damage taking becomes a non issue with time
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Probably it's a matter of getting used, I guess I wasn't prepared to change my play style and not sure I will, Siphon Life allowed me to be far more aggressive. True that Aid Self unslotted heals the same than Siphon Life fully slotted, but lacks the scrapperish feeling.
Anyway we'll see, it's not like I am going to respec anytime soon, so I'll see how it goes.
I can see how Aid Self works better for claws. Knockbacks or the Knockdown is just right amount of time for Aid Self.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I can see how Aid Self works better for claws. Knockbacks or the Knockdown is just right amount of time for Aid Self.
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The is no Knockdown in the claws set. Only Knockback. Most people who play the game well know this though.
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I can see how Aid Self works better for claws. Knockbacks or the Knockdown is just right amount of time for Aid Self.
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The is no Knockdown in the claws set. Only Knockback. Most people who play the game well know this though.
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Except for the knockdown power in the set you are correct.
Unless you mean that in game terms all powers are knockdown and their mag determines if they are knockback?
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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I can see how Aid Self works better for claws. Knockbacks or the Knockdown is just right amount of time for Aid Self.
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The is no Knockdown in the claws set. Only Knockback. Most people who play the game well know this though.
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Except for the knockdown power in the set you are correct.
Unless you mean that in game terms all powers are knockdown and their mag determines if they are knockback?
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No, SweetChilli just means to throw <bleep!> at Shannon for reasons unknown like his/her/its last three posts (of which one is the one above) show.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Well, such an easy target - hard not to.
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Unless you mean that in game terms all powers are knockdown and their mag determines if they are knockback?
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Or to put it differently, knockdown is simply low mag knockback. Most people who play the game well know this though.
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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Unless you mean that in game terms all powers are knockdown and their mag determines if they are knockback?
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Or to put it differently, knockdown is simply low mag knockback. Most people who play the game well know this though.
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As I said - claws do not contain knockdown. They contain knockback only.
And technically there is no suck thing as knockdown - knockdown is low mag knockback. Maybe you'll understand when you have played the game a bit longer.
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Unless you mean that in game terms all powers are knockdown and their mag determines if they are knockback?
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Or to put it differently, knockdown is simply low mag knockback. Most people who play the game well know this though.
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As I said - claws do not contain knockdown. They contain knockback only. No attack in the claws set can possibly casue knockdown - only knockback.
Maybe you'll understand when you have played the game a bit longer.
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Clearly you don't understand how this works then. If you apply a power which does knockback on a foe several levels higher, you will get knockdown (because of how the mag works with modifiers). Try with Bonfire if you don't believe me. And stop being condescending, especially when you're wrong.
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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and I have been jokingly saying mines better because of it.
and on a side note mine have gotten better an all. Also I'd love someone extra coming in and blowing us both away as then I would of learned or of seen something new.
Sorry, I fail to see many improvement there. I guess you min/max what you see fit and so do the rest of us, for some reason you are trying to make me believe that a (imo gimped) build that you woldn't use even yourself as per your own words, is better than everything else shown on this thread and I am afraid that is not true
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The overall improvements were +regen and +recharge and no thats not what I am trying to do .
Playstyle and Concept change everything, what suits one doesn't suit another.
There is no best build or win-win. The very idea of it needs to be thrown away. You can only best build to "your" intentions. I can show slotting and you can show slotting. Sometimes you get a situation where you see someones slotting and say "I didn't think of that!" but then only go and make changes to a completely different toon of a completely different AT.
Forget win/win it doesn't happen. If I had my excel I could find from power breakdowns the pros and cons of the way someone slots but usually have a picture of how they play as power choices are each to our own. I wouldn't insist that controllers and defenders would be needed to get a Master of the STF badge.
Its just nice to see different methods of going about things and I like alternative means to the same goal. 3 different builds as I have said can be just as good. Aid self though changes everything
No way am I saying "here is how you should build" I started with saying you don't need maneuvers and weave or tough come to that to achieve perma elude and used tactics as a go between foc acc and maneuvers, the loss in recharge of attacks as a result that effects my dps I might gain back with assault but either way the whole team are more damaging where as maneuvers may of better helped so few really. I am against telling people what they should have and have been for years. All we were doing were power choice picks, slotting and why. You can't judge a player on a build or even in a team. The type of dynamics a player is used to or built for in a PuG may not even be there.
Mine is ofc a build I wouldn't have even if I was a DM/SR. I have both powersets but just on different toons. My DM/DA actually has siphon life. I personally don't value my chances of using aid self without good interrupt reds and have dark regen anyway.
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I word things in ways that people have been known to throw toys from the pram and have been agreeing with them
I suppose it depends how you approach the forums as you log in. I logged in to see if you pushed your build further and came out with something better than before. You must admit your builds have gotten better cos you were pushed and I am pushy!
BTW your last build is by far more uber than mine. I was just expanding on mine. After seeing that you have added confront I just have to be auto-pwned. Taunt and Aid self are so grand on any eluded SR anyways keeping to my actual intentions I think I wouldn't bother so much with +regen and make a move to increase something else.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.