Salvage theft

Just to let you all know ARES ZA had a major loss in Salvage when a member decided to take 800+ base salvage from our base.

We are a fairly new SG and the loss of so much salvage hurt the SG.

We have decided to kick the 3 toons the player had in the SG.

I would like to know from other SG leaders if this has happen to them and what they have done?

Thanks
Breeze

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This sort of thing happens from time to time, and about the only way to protect yourself against it is to only allow the SG leaders to have access to the salvage - if a member who's not a leader wants salvage, then they have to get it from the leaders.

What server are you on? I have a lot of spare salvage I could give your SG.

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I shall talk to the other about this. We do not want to lose the open, fun feeling of the SG though. Every 1 must feel part and I am concern that restricting people to must will break that feeling.

Just a couple of questions
Can all still place salvage in the salvage rack?
How does this influence inspirations and enhancements?

Cheers

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Theres nothing you can do apart from ask the idiot concerned to return it.

There was a huge and very heated thread about this a while back.
And the bottom line is you gave them permission to take it, when you set the SG permissions for removing items from base storage.

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How does this influence inspirations and enhancements?

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If you stop them getting salvage you stop them getting everything.

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Thank Londoner

I suspected as much.

A person with that type of character will get his dues at some point. Life will give him back what he dish out.

Yes this is a knock that the SG took but I am not going to let the others suffer because of one abuser - I still have faith that their are much more decent people around then abusers like this guy.

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By the way you can still add salvage even when you cant get it out.

Sorry it happened to you, we had the same thing last year, it [censored] me off no end too.

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The best option in this is only have leader and your 2nd in commands in control of salvage/inspiration/Enhancements, but it all based on trust on this currents systems.

But with the Consignment House you can easy buy the Salvage from there which i manly do now can get some items at 10 to a max i pay of 250, or you can have a few of ur alts in your sg and let them hold 20 each of each type of salvage

plus this kind of act can and has broke down SG for people lose interst and faith in SG due to poor leadership skill and then the quick change in rule in the SG

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Never nice when it happens.

I'll also offer any base salvage if you need it as we have about maxed out and I don't think we'll be increasing the size for many RL years.

Also if you want a link via a small SG with all the TPs, med bay etc. happy to offer that. Not sure which server you're on, but look me up on Defiant if that's any help.

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It's sad when it happens I admit but it does seem to be very rare, thankfully. Don't let it get you down. Look up Shock Tactics on Defiant if we can be of help

Cheers

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Sorry to hear my friend.
If you are on the villain union shard contact the cabal of darkness members, we can sort you with tp and some salvage, if on the villain defiant shard the underlords of union can spare you salvage also, just no tp.

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and if you're a hero group on Union, I'd be happy to help you out too

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Seabreeze[ QUOTE ]
We are a fairly new SG and the loss of so much salvage hurt the SG.

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and if you're a hero group on Union, I'd be happy to help you out too

[/ QUOTE ]Ditto if you're a union villain group

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I would like to know from other SG leaders if this has happen to them and what they have done?

[/ QUOTE ]Never happened to me yet but I take the precaution of refining salvage into it's various materials, power, foci or essense and keeeping a selection on my main for the group. That way even if the salvage in the rack is all taken I still have enough material to cover the loss if expansion is the way forward.

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Tyger (50), Mutation-Controller Mind/FF - oldest Mind/FF on Union

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And the bottom line is you gave them permission to take it, when you set the SG permissions for removing items from base storage.

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You could not be more wrong no sg leader that i know says that a member can take 800+ pieces of salvage when the sg/base needs it (unless they have been allowed to make badges like master aritisan), unfortunatley the same happend to us (bachiatari han ryu) a while ago the way around it i found was to not set it so only leaders could take it out but set it so only the top 3 ranks could take it out.

This way you can do damage limitation if you have promotion rules set in place, ie 50k prestige for first promotion 100k for second and so on. Doing it like this at least gives you the chance to make so prestige out of would be theives before they try to rip you off and you will also find that people that are just joining to steal salvage will also quit the second they find out they cant steal (they like the easy targets and trusting sg's they feed off you)

This will always happen as long as sg's are running and it is a pity because the majority of CoXers try to keep the community a friendly place and people that dont want to work hard to get a feeling of achievement are missing out and at the same time spoiling the gaming experience for others.

I feel the need for a firing squad in GV/Atlas for named a shamed account holders to be taken to for public shootings

But the same goes for us if you need anything then feel free to ask (if your on villains that is )

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You could not be more wrong no sg leader that i know says that a member can take 800+ pieces of salvage when the sg/base needs it (unless they have been allowed to make badges like master aritisan), unfortunatley the same happend to us (bachiatari han ryu) a while ago the way around it i found was to not set it so only leaders could take it out but set it so only the top 3 ranks could take it out.

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No im afraid its you who couldnt be more wrong.

It happened to us too, and no one was more [censored] off than off than me about it.
However when you petition it, what i said is what you get told.
Of course you didnt give anyone permission to nick 800 bits of salvage, but the bottom line is still the same.
If they were of a rank to access base salvage,as far as this games rule go, you HAVE given them permission to take what they want.

There is also a glaring flaw in your keep salvage safe plan, it dont take long to earn enough prestige to get promoted, then nick your salvage.


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This way you can do damage limitation if you have promotion rules set in place, ie 50k prestige for first promotion 100k for second and so on. Doing it like this at least gives you the chance to make so prestige out of would be theives before they try to rip you off and you will also find that people that are just joining to steal salvage will also quit the second they find out they cant steal (they like the easy targets and trusting sg's they feed off you)


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And that attitude stinks.

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Ok ill give you the top half of your post thats a fair point.

BUT

Please explain how my attitude stinks?

All i was saying is you dont know if the next person you invite is going to try steal your salvage or not. So if they really want to steal it by getting the promotions via prestige earnt then at least its not all bad, they have actually put something into the sg before ripping its guts out (ok slightly exagerated)

You will find that if people are just there to take salvage as soon as they find out they dont have permissions to take salvage they will quit.

I cant see how that is the wrong attitude to take

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Please explain how that attitude stinks?

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Because assuming that everyone is a potential thief, then looking on them as a source of revenue aint the way to go on in my opinion.


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You will find that if people are just there to take salvage as soon as they find out they dont have permissions to take salvage they will quit.


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Iv found that not to be the case.
Also judging from what has happened in other salvage theft cases, it seems just as many happen with people that have been in a sg a while.

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We will have to agree to disagree then.

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Yep

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there are 3 way you can go with this access as i can see

1) All open access to all storage

2) Ranking higher lvl only like leader and 2nd in command

3) Convet all savage into Component and hold them on ur main/base building toon as i think there no limit on how much you can hold and then have an all access

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99 of each

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99 of each

[/ QUOTE ]well it can take alot out of ur salvage to make it upto 99 of each

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Thanks guys for all your input. We are ARES ZA on Defiant - Heroes.

I think the best solution would be if dev could refine access right a bite more and make it per item and even include editing per room - This shall give us much more flexibility because you can set Salvage, Insp and Enhancement permission individually per rack.

If they REALLY want to go the extra mile, for SGs, they can even include Bases editing per room - I have some players (Like my daughter) that just loves decorating a room .

I just get the idea that they took a great idea (SG concept) and had to put it together in a short space of time. Hopefully, now that PlayNC has full IP, they will set some time aside to refine it a bite. Especially sins they know that it is the SGs that keep veteran player playing the game and not move on!

PS do not forget the proper beds ...

With regards to all people being thieves I can not agree. Especially in the community of CoH. I have played a couple of games in my time and I really like the type of people I meet in CoX, much more then in any other online game I have played thus far.
This thread is a great example of the type of personality that plays CoX.

Kind Regards
Breeze

aka Dotooga LVL 50
aka Doteega LVL 14

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I think the best solution would be if dev could refine access right a bite more and make it per item and even include editing per room - This shall give us much more flexibility because you can set Salvage, Insp and Enhancement permission individually per rack.

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we all hoping that, that why alot of people been abit upset there been no base loving in the last issue or the one comming up

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while union leaders channel was running and i ws one of those poor souls in charge of holding it together there was actuly a larg number of salvage thefts just before the whole black market and auction system hit. normaly it was people joining the sg for that soul porpose and normaly they would role a toon clean out the salvage then once gone delete that toon and start again

the union leaders managment dun our best to keep track off these people but apart from arange help for the groups that were hit there wasnt alot we can do as suposrts official stance on it all was it was the groups fault because they gave permisions no matter if they have to earn it or not however they did ask that the people responsible were reported so that they could watch and see if one acount dun this more often than they should making it into the greifing catagory but we dont know if anything ever came of that.

what we ended up doing was recomending some sort of system that kashi sugested it slows them down atleast if nothing else. and good to see so many of the comunity steped up to help you out hope it dosnt happen again

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we all hoping that, that why alot of people been abit upset there been no base loving in the last issue or the one comming up

[/ QUOTE ]You obviously didn't get the memo then. The bases are going to have a dedicated team working to get them up and running thanks mainly to this new IP appropriation from NCSoft. It was a Positron address (and another where he mentioned that the buck now stops with him instead of Jack 'Statesman' Emmert).

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Tyger (50), Mutation-Controller Mind/FF - oldest Mind/FF on Union