Hot feet does it need acc?

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It's useless because a hold deals more dmg, has a better recharge and demands less end, simple as (let alone the hold effect).

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Can you show me the numbers for this, please?

Yeah. We want numbers, not guns!

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I'd rather Fire Cages than Fireball or Fireblast for PvP.

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Hahaha

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What's the laugh for? If you PvP'ed a bit you would know that post wasn't ironical

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It's useless because a hold deals more dmg, has a better recharge and demands less end, simple as (let alone the hold effect).

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Can you show me the numbers for this, please?

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Ok for PvP there are only 2 epics to go, psi and primal.

Mental blast's extremely long and rooting animation makes it a no go in first place.
So now, according to Mid's Hero designer, char deals 33.7 dmg, end cost is 8.53, recharge is 8 secs, animation 1.07 secs, range 80 ft, acc 90% and it holds. Power blast, on the other hand, stands for 55.6 dmg, end cost is 10.7, recharge is 8 secs, animation 1.67 secs, range 80 ft and acc 75% and it kbs. So which of both would you prefer?

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I'd rather Fire Cages than Fireball or Fireblast for PvP.

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Hahaha

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What's the laugh for? If you PvP'ed a bit you would know that post wasn't ironical

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Aaaaah... Was thinking that fireblast from epic with less then half endcost of cages, 7x dam and same rech would be better. Silly me

So in fact the epic blasts are better damage and have identical recharge?

Fire Blast is actually better than Power Blast - it does 61.17 damage and has a lower end cost than Char. That and the damage isn't DoT.

Cages are useful for spamming immobs, and thus get containment much quicker than with holds. That's the way to go on trollers but illusion as it lacks immobs

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Fire Blast is actually better than Power Blast - it does 61.17 damage and has a lower end cost than Char. That and the damage isn't DoT.

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But fire epics are a complete waste for PvP. You won't see a decent PvP troller with fire epics, that for sure

I didn't say that the Fire Epic was any good for PvP - my point is that your original statement is false.

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It's useless because a hold deals more dmg, has a better recharge and demands less end, simple as (let alone the hold effect).

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I didn't say that the Fire Epic was any good for PvP - my point is that your original statement is false.
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It's useless because a hold deals more dmg, has a better recharge and demands less end, simple as (let alone the hold effect).

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Indeed, but it's actually ST immobs that outpower epic blasts though

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Cages are useful for spamming immobs, and thus get containment much quicker than with holds. That's the way to go on trollers but illusion as it lacks immobs

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As if... every squishie has cj, think some cages will get you containment?
Normal ST holds have faster rech and less enduse then any AoE immob and also aren't hindered by cj. But any day it's much better to use ring of fire (or any other ST immob) with higher mag and faster recharge then an AoE immob to even try to get some containment that way anyhow

That's why you use both your single and aoe immob.

Iunno why this subject got so much in on pvp but heck lets continue. In my eyes any serious pvp controller would not say no to epic fire.
RoF: End 7.8, Rec 4s, Dmg 33.7
Char: End 8.53, Rec 8s, Dmg 33,7
FB: End 6.25, Rec 8s, Dmg 71

Here is why i would deffently pick it.
Spectral Wounds: End 6.86, Rec 6s, Dmg 30.6+ special
Blind: End 8.53, Rec 9s, Dmg 30.6

Notise the recharge timers in Ill even though shorter in fire no way you are gonna be able to chain it. Vs a serious pvp'r you are gonna need it cus you won't get contaminent in for a good while when he's popping Bf.

Even if you take fireball the dmg vs end cost with fire cages is still in favour of fire ball.

I really don't get why so many trollers and Dominators act like there is no such things as BFs in this game. Any serious pvp'r you are gonna meet will have loads of them and until you break the mag or he runs out you have to rely on your dmg and other utility.

Edit: For my own pvp troller which is not fire but Ill/storm i'd prolly pick Fire epic or Psi for Psi resist toggle and IW.

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That's why you use both your single and aoe immob.

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Admitted I'm no real PvP'er anymore, so my actual hardcore experience might be outdated, but I seriously don't believe that it's worth the effort to try to immob the opponnent by only spamming ST+AoE immobs over cj (let alone when buffed by /thaw/CM/clarify/ID on top of that) and then theres bfs ofc. Like Paradox also said as a troller you generally got better things to spend your time with imo: spamming holds, (de)buffing, do dam, run , etc
But if any elite members of the PvP society will say it's a good thing taking both AoE+ST immob powers and spending time trying to immob someone with continiously spamming immobs, i won't beg to differ any further...

Anyway the subject of the thread was about hotfeet needing accuracy , so i'm giving this sidetrack a rest now. Peace out.

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I didn't say that the Fire Epic was any good for PvP - my point is that your original statement is false.

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It's useless because a hold deals more dmg, has a better recharge and demands less end, simple as (let alone the hold effect).

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Yep I didn't include fire epics as were speaking about PvP, and since fire is the worst option on a PvP troller I did take that as something obvious.

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As if... every squishie has cj, think some cages will get you containment?
Normal ST holds have faster rech and less enduse then any AoE immob and also aren't hindered by cj. But any day it's much better to use ring of fire (or any other ST immob) with higher mag and faster recharge then an AoE immob to even try to get some containment that way anyhow

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You can try as you say, and you'll get containmente much faster spamming immobs on a squishy who has cj and a breakie than spamming holds on a squishie with a breakie. That can be applied to non squishies too. You get containment quicker spamming holds on a tank or scrapper with cj than spamming holds.

My Fire/Rad/Primal relies on her ST Immob and ST Hold for Containment and Damage away from Imps, Power Blast isn't actually that good in my experience these days. Of course, I spam it if I've got the Endurance too, but I don't miss it if I can't.

Immobs get you containment faster than Holds in my opinion.

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Iunno why this subject got so much in on pvp but heck lets continue. In my eyes any serious pvp controller would not say no to epic fire.

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You must be joking me.Any serious PvP controller will go for perma IW or EE or for PB and thats it.Not for some sucky blast.

fire used to be a very viable choice, it isnt anymore. After the dmg got nerfed, its just [censored] for PvP.

Either you get primal, ice or mind depending on what you wanna do.
Primal adds more control, ice adds more surviablity (hibernate), and mind adds psi resist which is awesome against rad/psi's.