Union Holding Initiative!


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I've started this thread similar to the "Union Perimeter Guard!" one, as a meeting/ideas/etc focal point for my Holders on the Hami-Raids.

General Hami-Raid Overview as done by Lost Samurai is: HERE.

I'm overall pleased with the initiative and reaction, of all my Holder Teams, as well as Tera Storms as well

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I won't bore into details but I'll give a general overview of slotting/ideas.. what can/can't be used.. etcetc. If anyone has suggestions or ideas we can discuss them here, or send me a tell ingame to @Raziel , and I'll deal with it there as well.


 

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Cossie Creation.

As highlighted in the Hami-Raid Guide..

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Firstly anyone coming please make sure you have a Hami raid cossie, these help to reduce the lagg greatly. I believe the layout was tight chest and legs, smooth/bare full on gloves and boots and a tech helm, all one colour.
scrappers-yellow
blasters-red
defenders-blue (empaths-green)
controllers-Purple
tanks-Black
PBs White
WS-black/purple
If you have a hold please add a purple stripe to your costume.
Some of these may be wrong, I need to find the guide for em. This is the best costume for creating as little lag as possible. If you really cant afford to change a cossie please wear one with as little detail as possible, No auras or capes, these cause massive lag during raids

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In BOLD is the main requirement for the cossie we will be using.

If you have Vanguard, it's a optional idea to put a " V " sign on your cossie to let people know you have it -- but it's not mandatory.

Same as the Defender idea, if you're an Empathy Controller, you can put a Green Stripe of some sort to point out you are Empathy.. but again.. it's not mandatory.


 

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Oooh! I'll be adding a "V" to my red suit with purple stripes .


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Following is a main list of things that are required of the Holding Phase itself.. please follow this, as it's crucial to the success of the phase.

Those that have been on the Raids of late know that the system we have works, and believe in the "requirements" we have to keep us being successful.

Details in ITALIC are my additions to the list.


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NO! Dark Servant, cos its Twilight Grasp will cause too much lag that and it drops a load of other trash, that we don't need, and cause too much lag/issues with the phase.

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DARK SERVANT Powers:[*]Chill of Night[*]Twilight Grasp[*]Darkest Night[*]Petrifying Gaze[*]Tenebrous Tentacles[/list]

-Tankers: not worth it because of gauntlet.
ALL Tanker powers now at some point do Taunt-Gauntlet -- so for the safety of the phase, it's best they don't help, to ensure safety.

-Blasters: Tesla Cage, Freeze Ray, Bitter Freeze Ray, Shocking Grasp, Freezing Touch, Shocking Bolt, Char, Cryo Freeze Ray.

-Defenders: Petrifying Gaze, Choking Cloud, EM Pulse, Ice Arrow, Tesla Cage, Telekinesis and Dominate due to persistent demand.

-Scrappers: not worth the lag.
The Holds are nice.. but don't have the same "duration effect" Controllers do, but IF I ever got stuck I would ask for them to help.

-Warshades: Gravity Well.

-Peacebringers: Incandescent Strike.

-Controllers: Fossilize, Volcanic Gasses, Char, Cinders, Gravity Distortion, Gravity Distortion Field, Singularity(3 slots for Hold Duration, no matter the others), Block of Ice, Glacier, Blind, Flash, Dominate, Telekinesis(whatever slotting you have), Total Domination, Choking Cloud, EM Pulse, Ice Arrow.

In addition to this, the only buffs which should be used really are AM and Speed Boost for the +recharge so that holds can be stacked.

People need to understand that spamming immobs and heals, leaving auras/shields on, using pets (other than Singularity), or just using random powers (like Fulcrum and Transfusion) is totally useless and counter-productive since it increases the lag to the point where we can't see if Hami is held.

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Standard slotting of Holds, on my part is (example of a Major Hold):

Char: HOLD(100%) = ACC RECH HOLD HOLD HOLD HOLD

Power Boost: RECH RECH RECH to increase Hold duration on demand

<ul type="square">[*]Base Recharge: 120.00 seconds[*]Recharge (3slot): 61.56 seconds[*]Recharge (3slot/Hasten): 45.29 seconds[*]Base Duration: 20 seconds[*]Buff: Secondary Power Effects (Mez, Buff, Debuff, Heals, Speeds)(119.20%)(Self)[*]Def Boost: +DEF(119.20%)(Self)[/list]

Hasten: RECH RECH RECH we all know what Hasten does
(70% recharge reduction on ALL powers)

<ul type="square">[*]Base Recharge: 450 seconds[*]Recharge (with Hasten itself): 230.85 seconds[*]Recharge (3slot/Hasten): 187.76 seconds[*]Recharge: +Recharge(70%)(Self)[*]END Drain: -End(-15%) at End of Power Cycle(Self)[/list]
You don't HAVE to have Power Boost.. but it can help sometimes.. but as said.. example on my part.


 

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Raz,

Good points, a couple of comments:

- I don't think it's worth slotting a 4th Hold. IMO you'll get more from a 2nd Acc (yes, we do miss sometimes) or even better, a Rechg (even with all the AMs and some SBs going, it helps with stacking). I personally leave them at 2/2/2 which is my usual slotting.
- Power Boost gives a +186.3% buff for controllers at lvl 50 (your modifier is for blasters I think).


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Raz,

Good points, a couple of comments:

- I don't think it's worth slotting a 4th Hold. IMO you'll get more from a 2nd Acc (yes, we do miss sometimes) or even better, a Rechg (even with all the AMs and some SBs going, it helps with stacking). I personally leave them at 2/2/2 which is my usual slotting.
- Power Boost gives a +186.3% buff for controllers at lvl 50 (your modifier is for blasters I think).

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Aye.. very true there on all counts.. I'm currently experimenting with the slotting with m combat logs, but with the RADs on us so far.. i've missed 4 times in about 50 hits average...

Any numbers i'll revise once I have more solid info.. but it gives people a base to work with, so we can make our "phase" better and better


 

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There's just no point slotting more than three of a single type of enhancement in any power at all. You get a very minimal return on it, and there are other useful enhancements that holds can take.

I also see no point in specifically slotting powers for a raid. With the amount of controllers at these now, as long as the majority are slotting fairly sensibly on holds (2/2/2 or 2/3/1 which most probably do anyway, if not effectively better due to having HOs) there is very minimal chance he's going to get unheld. If he does it'll be due in all likelihood either to lag so severe people can't target him even through a Singularity, or because there is no Singularity to target through, or because numbers drop off seriously.

The only real issue last week with the holding phase was the sudden shortage of Grav Controllers. If that one lone Singularity owner had disconnected, we'd have been in some trouble there.


 

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The only real issue last week with the holding phase was the sudden shortage of Grav Controllers. If that one lone Singularity owner had disconnected, we'd have been in some trouble there.

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I know I don't have a high enough troller, and may be talking through my backside, but...

If the singularities go, can't you target through the Hami tank?

Just asking, as when I've been assisting the Hami tank empaths, I've usually kept the tank as my target for the brawl phase. And AFAIK, the tank usually still targets Hami directly in the hold phase.


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I'm usually there with Dimension Diva providing another Singularity, but missed last week due to prior engagements. Hopefully I can make it as normal next friday!


 

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The only real issue last week with the holding phase was the sudden shortage of Grav Controllers. If that one lone Singularity owner had disconnected, we'd have been in some trouble there.

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If Raz thinks we have enough rads, I'll gladly bring my grav troller to the next one (sonic bubble included).


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-Peacebringers: Incandescent Strike.


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Personally I wouldn't bother with this, since it's way too flashy and has a pretty short duration.


 

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-Peacebringers: Incandescent Strike.


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Personally I wouldn't bother with this, since it's way too flashy and has a pretty short duration.

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Very much agreed, there.

Generally there are only Controllers, Blasters and RADs of certain types during the phase, but it's nice to have em as backup if it all goes to hell.. but much agree on the notes given.

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There's just no point slotting more than three of a single type of enhancement in any power at all. You get a very minimal return on it, and there are other useful enhancements that holds can take.

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Indeed, I had mine slotted 4 Hold, as I've been "testing/testing/testing" specific set-up to see which works better, but agreed on the:

ACC, ACC, RECH, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD
ACC, RECH, RECH, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD

or whatever people feel otherwise.

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I also see no point in specifically slotting powers for a raid.


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True on this point, people don't HAVE to be specific slotted for the Hami-Phase.

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I know I don't have a high enough troller, and may be talking through my backside, but...

If the singularities go, can't you target through the Hami tank?

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You "could" but they would require being close enough to the Tanker in some cases, and due to lag, you can lose sight of the Tanker, as well as the Tanker loses sight of Hami.. as well as Hami's AoE hitting you (possible) so it's not advised.

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If Raz thinks we have enough rads, I'll gladly bring my grav troller to the next one (sonic bubble included).

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The more Grav the better imho as they do help a lot in many ways, in case of losing sight of Hami, the one Sing', DCs and the like. So feel free to bring one, if you wish.


 

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Okton, a troller for every occasion!


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-Peacebringers: Incandescent Strike.


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Personally I wouldn't bother with this, since it's way too flashy and has a pretty short duration.

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with 3 mez hami os its pretty darn good


 

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-Peacebringers: Incandescent Strike.


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Personally I wouldn't bother with this, since it's way too flashy and has a pretty short duration.

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with 3 mez hami os its pretty darn good

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Highlighted the important bit. Don't use it.


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true its not good for holding phase, is darn good in fights though with all those hami-Os


 

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guys, I really like this idea, if there is anything I can do to help you guys, please feel free to ask!



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