I'm not really a PvP'er at all, but I'd say that repeatedly tp'ing somebody into mobs or the base drones counts as griefing.... especially if the person on the other end of it has already expressed displeasure and no desire to fight the tp'er.
I know there are often cries of "all's fair in PvP", but I think you have to be reasonable about it.
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You're gonna get 50 replies of "It's a PvP zone, live with it", but what it boils down to is that no matter which game, you will always, always find idiots/retards/lamers (take your pick) when it comes to PvP.
The ability to do whatever you want to your opponent because it's a pvp zone doesn't mean it allows you to be a total idiot, but the CS kiddies will disagree I'm sure.
Teledroning (that is, teleporting other players into the 'guard' drones) isn't really griefing in my opinion, because it's only ever used as a tactic when one side has the other side completely locked down to their base. It can easily be prevented by backing off from the base a little.
Teleporting people into mobs is probably griefing, particularly if it happens time after time. If someone kept doing it to me, I'd petition them for it.
If he was in his base just take the duel somewhere else out of range. Droning is valid for shifting base campers or the occaisional mouthy player. For some reason people see red after they get droned, even when they have 3 or 4 times as many players pushed up on the opponents base. (Not saying thats what happened here). Mob tping is valid if you attempt to finish the player off. Its griefing if you simply let them get debt, especially if its done constantly. Its hard to claim "I tried to get the killing blow" after mob tping 10 times in a row and only using webgrenades and holds. This is all my opinion of course, if in doubt send a petition and let the GMs sort it out.
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Its a difficult one really, as sometimes tping is the only way to thin the numbers so you can get out of the base.
Another way to look at it, is dont get so near the base if it happens constantly.
It also happens the other way round, a friend of mine was the only villain left, with 6 heroes camped on the "front lawn" yet was still being constantly tped out to them, even from inside the hospital.
Yet when there were 3 of us and we attempted to fight them, they moaned about us hitting them when they were also hit by the npcs at the base, yet it was their choice to camp our base and not allow us to get out.
TP is a valid tool, but sometimes it is used irritatingly, I too have been deliberately tped into certain death due to large mobs, and personally feel that this is done by people who feel inadequate at normal PVP.
If your friend feels she is being griefed, as said above, petition it and let the GMs decide.
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Wasn't at SC last night so can't really say how severe the situation was, but from the sounds of it, it was more of a case of too many heroes being too close to villains base.
If you are constantly teleported into drones, you're too close to the drones. Getting droneported once is fair, getting it done to you twice might be because of a miscalculation, but more than that, you're just being stubbornly close to to the guy with teleport. Just move back, away from the base and let them come to you, not the other way around.
Teleportation is a tricky question, but usually it happens worst when you're too close to the other side - Siren's call is pretty much divided to the Hero side, Villain side and the area where neither side has clear advantage. If you're fighting on enemy ground, be prepared to the fact the enemy will use it against you.
The party line on if something is griefing is a bit hazy, but basically, if the player's only intent was to cause you debt, it's griefing. Proving intent is difficult.
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Wasn't at SC last night so can't really say how severe the situation was, but from the sounds of it, it was more of a case of too many heroes being too close to villains base.
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To be honest the zone was almost empty until I and a few other friends arrived after the problem had kicked off.
As far as I'm aware the duel was being fought out of range of the base but the other player indicated that he had no intention of letting it happen and would would then leave the base to use TP then return. At no point am I aware of him engaging in actual PvP beyond the use of TP.
The droning was more of an annoyance, but just setting out to annoy people who actually want to PvP surely can't be good for the popularity of PvP?
One of the reasons I'm asking this is whether PvPers think it's acceptible or not. I fully appreciate that it may not be breaking the rules, but I'd kind of like to know whether putting up with this sort of behaviour is just part and parcel of the CoX PvP experience.
It isnt griefing and it isnt fair game.
Its a situation where some tool is getting off by teledroning. Theres no logic behind it if he wasnt getting attacked, and there was no reason to continue several times.
Ofcourse everything is 'fair' game in pvp, but that doesnt mean you can't extend a little common courtesy for your enemy, as without them, who are you going to play with?
Last arguement i had in SC was over a similar situation, and the arguement of 'its a pvp zone, anything goes' was used. I simply logged onto my hero, and called a villain friend into the zone. He confused me and i continued to kill the player wherever i saw him. When he told me i was 'cheating' or acting 'unfairly', i came back with the same arguement 'Its a pvp zone, anything goes'.
It was clever or fair of me to do that, but i think it put things into perspective. If someone in a pvp zone asks me to stop attacking, depending on the circumstances i'll leave off (Talking or socialising whilst dueling i leave, people trying to get xp, i kill (most of the time)).
What the guy did was wrong morally, but not wrong from a game mechanics point of view. This is more an arguement of courtesy than it is of right and wrong.
People sometimes get annoyed at duels in pvp zones and leap in to break them up. Seeing as this guy was idling in his base other than just tping people away it might be griefing. I dont know what he broadcast to say he was just there to annoy people but that could be baiting. If he had at least stuck around to duke it out a bit then I would think it was ok.
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One of the reasons I'm asking this is whether PvPers think it's acceptible or not.
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I think the question of what's acceptable in a PvP Zone is a bit difficult one. It is a competitive setting, and people have different views on what it is to win there. To someone it might mean that everyone else leaves the zone. To someone it might be not dying for 5 hours. Someone might want the bounty. Another to switch zone control to their side. Someone might just want the badges. At the end of the day it has to come down to the rules, not what individual people think they feel is acceptable or not.
And the rules in PvP of CoH pretty much boil down to: Do not intentionally cause other people debt. And don't use abusive language to verbally harass them.
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Thats dealing with the consequence, not the problem and counter productive.
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You do realize that you can just buy some Resistance Insps to combat this right? You head out the zone, stack up on some Oranges and you'll have no more problems.
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Thats dealing with the consequence, not the problem and counter productive.
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It's an easy way to stop the teleporter 'porting the 'portee. Just as a lot of Purplies, or moving just that little bit further away from the base is.
The Dev's have said that 'porting people in to drones/mobs isn't technically griefing, and they're unlikely to change their standpoint on that.
Whilst I do find the tactic questionable myself (the offender was obviously doing it maliciously) there's not much you can do other than Insp up, move away or go to the Arena.
Could you not teleport the teleporter out and gank him?
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Hard to say if it was griefing, it's definately a valid (if very annoying) tactic. But if it's done repeatedly and the player actually said he had no intention of actually PvPing and was only trying to disrupt other people's fun, it could be griefing. But the only people who can decide that are the GM's. Did your friend send a petition?
Either way, as a few people have said, why not just move far away from the villain base? Can't be that hard surely?
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Could you not teleport the teleporter out and gank him?
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Unfortunately we had one of those round robin "ok, so who HASN'T respecced TP Foe out then?" 
Well, kind of anyway but non of us had it and I was wishing I hadn;t repecced it out.
Thanks for all the replies. However, I realise these things are never clear-cut and you're only hearing things from my perspectiv, but in the just under a year I've been playing it was the most frustrating behaviour I've encountered from another player. I've been ganked in PvP many a time I've tried it out and it has never ever bothered me. Apart from anything else last night's events just became incredibly dull.
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The Dev's have said that 'porting people in to drones/mobs isn't technically griefing, and they're unlikely to change their standpoint on that.
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Technically nothing is greifing really, if someones actions are just to cause another to incurr debt without attempting to take the kill this is greifing. If in doubt just petition and let the GMs sort it out, it may not seem that they do anything but they do.
I personally hate TP in all its forms in PvP, however I do have a couple of specialised teleporters that I can pull out that I use to bounce those who just seem to get their jollies from tp foe all around the zone, strangely enough they seem to get pretty bored and leave.
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Thats dealing with the consequence, not the problem and counter productive.
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How is TP foe not the problem? The OP complains about someone constantly using TP foe on them and using it to grief. Simply take their tool away, by buying inspirations. Immediate problem solved. Now you can always petition that player, but that's not gonna solve the problem at that moment. GM's aren't that fast.
I'm sure if George W. had the option of buying inspirations to combat global terrorism, he would do just that, instead of invading another country. Only costs 50 inf per insp. Much cheaper and quicker.
An even cheaper way is to find a kinetics defender or controller and get them to ID you. It's a superb way to avoid getting TP'd! I suggest you try it.
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We as players can't combat this as such. If something feels like griefing, you should petition it.
As said countless times before, tp foeing is in itself not griefing. If another player repeatedly and intentionally does something like that, in a personal manner, then it becomes griefing. Ultimately its for the mods to decide.
I'm not sure taking someones toys away will stop them griefing. If there that determined they will find some other way to annoy you. Best bet is to just petition it.
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Fair game. If either base is under siege, drone tp-ing is a good tactic to even the odds and allow the besieged t break out. I suppose that's not really the getting to the point of your post but's my view on tping into drones.
In the case of your friend:
1. Duels in PvP zones are fair game!
2. Attempting a duel near either base is just going to attract attention
3. If being repeatedly tp'd into the base is annoying you then MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!
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Could you not teleport the teleporter out and gank him?
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Unfortunately we had one of those round robin "ok, so who HASN'T respecced TP Foe out then?" Well, kind of anyway but non of us had it and I was wishing I hadn;t repecced it out.
Thanks for all the replies. However, I realise these things are never clear-cut and you're only hearing things from my perspectiv, but in the just under a year I've been playing it was the most frustrating behaviour I've encountered from another player. I've been ganked in PvP many a time I've tried it out and it has never ever bothered me. Apart from anything else last night's events just became incredibly dull.
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and as i used to frequent sirens alot i can imagine it being one of a number of peeps, all of which r braindead, nxt time i'd just leave bth, its no fun when cack like that starts
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In the case of your friend:
1. Duels in PvP zones are fair game!
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Fair enough. If you're in the open I reckon your fair game as well. I would let someone duel though but maybe that's just me. I'm not sure but I think the duel came about because of the two villains in the zone at the time one refused to leave the base.
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2. Attempting a duel near either base is just going to attract attention
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The duel wasn't near the base. The droning is something of a side issue that arose from the original problem. TPing into mobs but not following through. Repeatedly.
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3. If being repeatedly tp'd into the base is annoying you then MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!
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See the point above. It's general it's use of TP in PvP and not specifically droning I'm talking about.
Being only an occassional PvPer I'd welcome some opinions on this.
Last night I received a plea from help from a freind who in some difficulty in Siren's Call. I headed along just in time to see her being TPed into a bunch of mobs. Aparently this had been happeneing repeatedly since she had entered the zone (maybe not always mobs, I wasn't there) and it was now becoming difficult to avoid debt.
Now this isn't a whinge about the use of TP foe, and normally I'd say all tactics are valid, but what bugged me here was that the villain who was doing this made it pretty clear, on broadcast, that he had no intention of leavin the base and would continue to TP people around and use the drones to kill them. A tad annoying as the villain in question was the bounty during all this.
My friend had arranged a duel with a villain in the zone but everytime they started to fight she would be TPed away, to the annoyance of all concerned. Sure, use the arena you might say but it happened when the zone was quiet and was a spur of the moment thing. Sutrely if you plan on sitting in the base and using drones and mobs to kill people you can leave thm alone for a few minutes to actually, you know, have some fun in the zone. Or do I expect too much of?
So...are tactics like this just what you have to put up with in PvP or is it tantamount to griefing?
If it's just something you have to put up with then I'm not surprised PvP isn't very popular in CoX.
Anyway, opinions welcome.