A quick word on Hami Targeting for Monday 16 Oct
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Archy,
Posted on: 2006-10-14 07:05 in Defiant (EU)
Hey man nice ideas.
New Cossie should help with IDing you. As to a more focused system I think thats cool and am happy for you to try it however couple quick points.
Remember not everyone can fly so switching high will need to be well timed but I am sure you thought of that already.
Calls: I dont mind but would ask that you use broadcast and/or local I really need to keep request clear so that instrutions get through cleanly, sorry if that complicates things but request will be busy enough I fear. I remember (iirc) a similar thing being tried with "1/2 DEAD" "DEAD" calls and I am not sure it wasnt more a complication than anything else on request and this would be even more calls.
Splitting targeters: If you have 2 targeters going in 2 directions it may make the Tanks job a little hard as he needs to move to be opposite alot.
Anyway just my opinions.
Cheers,
White 
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I can't remember any time I've actually got a physical look at the targetter, lol. I have my friends list open, resized and scrolled to show just the targetters name, and as long as I see him/het in my target info box, I'm good & following 
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I totally agree with mag here, the problem with the targeter using request that i see is the fact the person leading and giving out orders has a lot of important information and from past raids i have been on the information is long in the chat box so when other people are talking on it the chat is gone before most can read it and with the lag its not fun trying to play and find chat in the tabs. I would say if you can war mate try to stay off request as much as you can because of this reason plus from what i have seen after more than just the person giving orders starts using it then everyone does and tries to get people working in the way that isn't the plan 
once again i am sure this raid will go well, Hami shall die!
My experience with the last raid was that it got so busy it was impossible to target the targeter with the friends list or a bind I'd made up in advance. I'm for anything that makes the targeter easier to find. I'm looking forward to the raid... and I'll leave my white costume at home :P
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Good idea in theory war but can get a little timeconsuming i would think.
The best way we've found was basically just to target anything close to you and just bash away thus not moving around too much.....I know it sounds quite hectic but actually very efficent.
If you want to try its fine by me...always good to try out new ideas
The guide is "always" being updated because of changes to do with raids. The current guide we're using is a bit outdated atm but since no major changes have happened since Xanthus wrote it, we currently see no point in updating it. If you do decide to try this and you're succesful then of course
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Good idea in theory war but can get a little timeconsuming i would think.
The best way we've found was basically just to target anything close to you and just bash away thus not moving around too much.....I know it sounds quite hectic but actually very efficent.
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I'm not sure how having a plan of movement so everyone knows which direct we are going will be more time comsuming to be honest. The best way so far does not take into account trying this way and seems to loose momentum some times as people are trying to see where the mitos are when they keep blinking out due to lag.
I think a general plan will help overcome this.
@War Man
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Splitting targeters: If you have 2 targeters going in 2 directions it may make the Tanks job a little hard as he needs to move to be opposite alot.
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I think that 1 targeter moving round will pass a stationary Hami tank at some point anyway. The only way this could be avoided if the targeter started next to the Hami tank and then moved around Hami to end up on the other side of the Hami tank. This would risk getting the AoE from Hami right at the start of the raid.
If you think about it, with 2 targeters moving north on either side of Hami meeting at the north point where the Hami tank is would actually mean the Hami tank would have to stay still during the mito clearing phase.
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Good idea in theory war but can get a little timeconsuming i would think.
The best way we've found was basically just to target anything close to you and just bash away thus not moving around too much.....I know it sounds quite hectic but actually very efficent.
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I'm not sure how having a plan of movement so everyone knows which direct we are going will be more time comsuming to be honest. The best way so far does not take into account trying this way and seems to loose momentum some times as people are trying to see where the mitos are when they keep blinking out due to lag.
I think a general plan will help overcome this.
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(Some) people don't read the guides unfortunately and will get confused by a big master plan.....simple is sometimes the best way to go....but try it out mate
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Splitting targeters: If you have 2 targeters going in 2 directions it may make the Tanks job a little hard as he needs to move to be opposite alot.
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I think that 1 targeter moving round will pass a stationary Hami tank at some point anyway. The only way this could be avoided if the targeter started next to the Hami tank and then moved around Hami to end up on the other side of the Hami tank. This would risk getting the AoE from Hami right at the start of the raid.
If you think about it, with 2 targeters moving north on either side of Hami meeting at the north point where the Hami tank is would actually mean the Hami tank would have to stay still during the mito clearing phase.
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I hadn't ment for the Hami tank to be stationary, the method is to keep the targeter and the tank always opposite and never have the clearing teams get near Hami aggro. Difficult to do with one clearing group and one tank at times, I ment that the second group moving in a different direction would make it even harder apologies if I was unclear
Whilst I tend to agree with Archy on keeping it simple I am more than happy to give it a go and see how it goes, though as mentioned above the calls would need to be on broadcast or local as I want request clear and simple assuming you are happy with this we can try it this evening.
Cheers,
White
Whos in charge of PA dropping?
Archy's in charge of the PA's overall and I'm on call to lead the second PA team when required
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Splitting targeters: If you have 2 targeters going in 2 directions it may make the Tanks job a little hard as he needs to move to be opposite alot.
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I think that 1 targeter moving round will pass a stationary Hami tank at some point anyway. The only way this could be avoided if the targeter started next to the Hami tank and then moved around Hami to end up on the other side of the Hami tank. This would risk getting the AoE from Hami right at the start of the raid.
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War mate, its my job to stay opposite the mitoclearing grp on the other side of hamidon at all times. (So I dont have to go afk for boredom lol). This job is considerably easier if theres just one mito-clearing grp. If you guys insist on a second one (there were two last time, whether intentionally or unintentionally) then they should stay close each other while attacking separate Mitos imo. Possibly one attacking higher Mitos and one attacking those mitos closer to the ground.
Last time the tank team started from exact opposite side of hamidon to the 'coward hill'. I recommed you start targeting Mitos closest to coward hill like you said. I can see you well enough I think to stay on the other side.
Also, from personal experience, fly close to the mito(follow) you are targeting so the clearers can understand better what Mito is being targeted.
Before moving on to next one, make sure Mito didnt split by using target_closest_enemy.
Please dont target Hami nucleus lol.
EDIT: I sorta agree with others, extra calls may not be as helpful as we'd think. Especially its better to reserve request channel for leader only (I try to stay away from it myself this time lol).
Good idea on the cossie and clockwise direction though. (I proposed it myself until realizing you had proposed it already )
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Whos in charge of PA dropping?
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As Gen said Arch and he are the PA leaders for this raid, just for informations sake anyone with questions on raid details should prolly go here as thats the main raid thread.
Hope that helps,
Cheers,
White
As you know I will be on as Odins Son as mito targeter on Mondays 16 Oct 7pm GMT Hami raid.
Costume
I will be wearing an all white costume without a cape.
Tactics
I have been thinking whether there is a way to tighten up the clearing phase and was thinking of trying the following on monday night:
As we attack from the south side of Hamidon, why not attack the Mitos starting from the south and word systematically around in a clockwise direction.
I Will start at the ground or lower level mitos first so people can see where we are starting from and then move higher up for the rest before moving say 1/8th clockwise. i.e. moving from due south to south west. At this point will move down and start at the lower level ones again before moving up.
All the time I will call on Request channel (in capitals so people can see it clearly, sorry if this offends anyone) when we are moving up, when we are moving around and the colour of the mito targeted.
I'm not sure if the mitos bunch up or divide to often to be quite so systematic about moving from ground to high to ground again, but any variations to this general plan could be told in request channel. I thought this would make it easier for people to orientate themselves in the zone especially with the lag and people disappearing. For instance, if I cann that we are at say north west, people will know where to head to and more importantly know where to move to after so the team stays together.
Future plans
Later on after we have tried this to see if it works, we may be able to develop this further with 2 targeters starting at the south side and one team moving clockwise and the other counter clockwise and meet at the north point. Could even make it a race !
Any issues?
Would be good to know if there are any other considerations though I have not thought off such as the PA dropping team or Hami tank issues.
I guess the Hami tank may have to start at the north end and work around clockwise to keep at the opposite end to the targeter and mito clearing team? other than this, nothing comes to mind straight away.
If this does work can it be added to the general Hami guide post please?
@War Man
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