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This thread is supposed to be about helping someone with there build not having a debate about healing and whether they should or shouldnt have attacks
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sure get attacks if you want but dont start playing like a blaster
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with regard to playing like a blaster i refer to the attitude, every AT has a role in a team and although defenders have blasting powers they are not blasters they are defenders who support the team. yes they can blast and yes they can deal damage but when a defender joins a team are you telling me that they wil be expected to play like a blaster who is the most offensive AT in the game with both primary and secondary attacking powers as well as self buffs that enhance there dmg output and thus the general thing of a blaster is to do damage in my opnion and they are the best at it. the defender on the other hand is more based around helping its team mates attacks just are a nice addition i personally have a kin/psi that is both a support and attacker but i would never fool myself into believing that im a blaster.. because im not!! the priamry always come first which is what i meant when i said "your a healer (primary) not a blaster (secondary)!!" and "sure get attacks but dont start playing like a blaster (Archetype)" Is that explained enough for you?
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Youre not a blaster youre a healer!!
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When you take Empathy and take 99% of it's buffs, you are precisely that.. a "HEALER".. a "BUFFER".. what else is Empathy used for, eh? tickling?
Please cleanse ... before you kill off anymore, good genome. 
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when i said "your a healer (primary) not a blaster (secondary)!!" and "sure get attacks but dont start playing like a blaster (Archetype)" Is that explained enough for you?
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Which is kinda like my fire/emp controller..
Rule 1: I'm a controller.. NOT a Defender, regardless of my Empathy side.. DO NOT expect me to act like an empath.
Rule 2: I'm not an Empath, regardless of my Empathy side.. my Imps come first, as they're what keep me alive, with my holds.
If I can't access my Imps, liek when I'm exemped.. OK.. THEN I will act more Empath, to keep myself alive, through the team.. but if not exemped.. I'm CONTROLLER first.. EMPATH >>>>>>"SECONDARY"<<<< ;<< I do NOT act like something I'm not.
Same goes for a Defender in most cases imho.. that's like making a Blaster with NRG Melee Scrapper a lil.. SURE he can do it.. but that ain't what he's there for -- and FAR too many time's I've seen people treat builds as something they're not, and suffer rather badly perma-debt wise, to themselves and the whole team.
My empath has every power 6 slotted but ressurrect which is 4 slotted, my attacks are controls from the epic for saves that actually "defend" people. My second rate blasting powers are non existant and i prefer it. Rather than be caught in the action time of a tickler of an attack during a brief moment someone of more offensiveness and of great use to the team could of been saved. My other defenders would have more opportunity to blast but with the empath set the way it is and the way i like to use it proactively to equate as close as possible to those other sets in result rather than reactively.
Like Raz my mind/emp controller is a controller first empath second and its purely out luck someone gets a heal from me because i could more easily caught in the action time of my primary in a tight or messed up spot.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
You've 6-slotted Clear Mind?
And may I ask, what's the fourth slot in Resurect for?
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I think she meant in general.
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And may I ask, what's the fourth slot in Resurect for?
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Range saves being in the middle of a fight... naturally.
Ugh, more Empathy defenders that think it's cool to hang back all the time "healing". Get stuck in people!
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the priamry always come first
[/ QUOTE ]What about blappers? Scrankkers? Tanking brutes? "Healer" corruptors? Ill/Empathy controllers who focus on their secondary? And, most relevant to this thread, offenders?
These are ALL viable ways to play one's character, and you have no right to say to people who choose to build these characters that their playstyle is "wrong".
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Ugh, more Empathy defenders that think it's cool to hang back all the time "healing". Get stuck in people!
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Maybe an overstatement of what the AT isn't supposed to do.. but hey you know.. just for the hell of it
When I get chance later.. I'm gonna make a toon.. tis an Empath Defender..
here's my 15second-build idea
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Defender
Primary: Empathy
Secondary: Psychic Blast
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01) --> Healing Aura==> Heal Heal Heal Rechg Rechg EndRdx
01) --> Mental Blast==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
02) --> Subdue==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
04) --> Psionic Lance==> Acc Rechg Range Dmg Dmg Dmg
06) --> Air Superiority==> Acc Acc
08) --> Swift==> Run
10) --> Psychic Scream==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg Rechg
14) --> Fly==> Fly
16) --> Telekinetic Blast==> Acc Acc Rechg
18) --> Health==> Heal
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod EndMod EndMod
22) --> Will Domination==> Acc Acc Sleep Sleep
24) --> Assault==> EndRdx EndRdx EndRdx
26) --> Recovery Aura==> Rechg Rechg Rechg
28) --> Psionic Tornado==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
30) --> Tactics==> EndRdx EndRdx EndRdx
32) --> Regeneration Aura==> Rechg Rechg Rechg
35) --> Scramble Thoughts==> Acc Acc Rechg DisDur DisDur
38) --> Psychic Wail==> Acc Rechg Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
41) --> Power Build Up==> Rechg Rechg Rechg
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes DmgRes DmgRes EndRdx
47) --> Total Focus==> Acc Acc EndRdx Dmg Dmg Dmg
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg Rechg
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty
01) --> Sprint==> Empty
01) --> Brawl==> Empty
01) --> Vigilance==> Empty
02) --> Rest==> Empty
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You think thats offensive enough for a PSIONIC empath
My view.. sure it is.. but ermm.. hehe.. what about it's empath side?
Nah.. forget empath :P GET STUCK IN as you say... Empath ain't that important anymore, to have toons focused on it as a "pure" empath".. who knows.. maybe My Psi build is a winner.. we'll find out later today.
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[/ QUOTE ]What about blappers? Scrankkers? Tanking brutes? "Healer" corruptors? Ill/Empathy controllers who focus on their secondary? And, most relevant to this thread, offenders?
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Mmmmm as sumone who has practically all those I can safely say this..
>>>>>>>>TOON FOCUS<<<<<<<< but they STILL know they're place on what they are.. BRUTE aint a TANKER, STALKER aint a SCRAPPER.. etceetcetc you get the idea...
*achem* also note...
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The best advice I can give you is stick with the primaries, what ever you choose with regard to travel or Pools dont let anyone else say its [censored] because if it works for you then theres nothing wrong with it and as long as youre keeping the team alive then everyones happy
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but here's the best parts
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i would never fool myself into believing that im a blaster.. because im not!! the priamry always come first which is what i meant when i said "your a healer (primary) not a blaster (secondary)!!"
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HIGHT LIGHTED for notice
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I'm CONTROLLER first.. EMPATH >>>>>>"SECONDARY"<<<< ;<< I do NOT act like something I'm not.
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Like Raz my mind/emp controller is a controller first empath second
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oh dear.... seems me and Shannon care a common theme... and since between us we DO have every single one going near enough..
HELL in fact I'll tell ya what My Sonic/NRG "blapper".. 50/50 focus on powers.. but you know what I'm still a Blaster that means I don't go ACT like a scrapper.. why??.. BECAUSE IM NOT A SCRAPPER 
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These are ALL viable ways to play one's character, and you have no right to say to people who choose to build these characters that their playstyle is "wrong".
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I do not recall anywhere she said that...
ooooohhh but I know one person who did...
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Ugh, more Empathy defenders that think it's cool to hang back all the time "healing". Get stuck in people!
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Soooo being an Empath only is wrong? It is thought we should get stuck in well read my Empath build I posted.. then explain to me how a Psy Powered Empath is to be offensive while i go make that toon.
MEHHHHHHHHHH I love morning rants... and when u've not had any sleep in a 24 hrs tis always fun.
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This is a big pile of..*frantically tries to think something not covered by filter*..fiddlesticks.
My blaster for instance has just 4 powers from primary and I wouldve taken all but one powers from secondary if I couldve fitted them in. There are tons of ways to build characters which is what I specifically like about this game.
It is true though that an empath who hasnt concentrated on his/her primary is unlikely to get much understanding from teammates. But that is a different story compared to whether such character would be a valid build.
I have never seen an empath halffender build that doesn't waste a huge amount of slots/powers on stuff just to fill up space by late game. Silly stuff like slotting health (you're a bleeding empath for crying out loud! You don't need to up your regen!), six slotting fly, and taking three travel powers.
Besides, it's not like a full attack chain consisting of fast-animating, low-end powers takes a lot of slots and powers. Just pick /rad, and slot up the first power. Presto! You can blast away in between sticking out buffs and bunging out the odd heal.
Or you know, get more rad powers (or dark or elec or, well most of them really) and slot for the debuff/end drain/whatever and use them to, you know, protect the team.
Specialisation is for insects and Scrappers. Defenders multitask.
Dead Calm's Defender Manifesto
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Or you know, get more rad powers (or dark or elec or, well most of them really) and slot for the debuff/end drain/whatever and use them to, you know, protect the team.
Specialisation is for insects and Scrappers. Defenders multitask.
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I'm pleased someone said this.
I'm never an Empath first, I'm a defender first. I use my attacks to defend the team, much the same way I use my heals and buffs to defend the team.
A "pure" empath is a broken concept and is seemingly only restricted to Empathy, almost every single AT and Defender Powerset, as far as I've seen, have basically ignored all this "pure" rubbish.
A tank with no attacks? A blaster with no secondaries? A controller with no support powers? What it is, is ignorance, it's basically saying "Oh, well, I can throw a few heals around, so I don't need to do anything else".
I take offense to that because it leads to very, very lazy gameplay (and this is from experience, the amount of Emp Def's I've teamed with that say they're "pure empaths" and are actually good is an incredibly low percentage of the total) and it can get teams killed. It's almost as bad as this "Healer" [censored], Empath's have more buffs than heals, and the buffs are a hell of a lot more adept at keeping people alive. If you're constantly in teams that "require a hell of a lot of healing so you don' have time to do anything else" either you are doing something wrong or they are and you should maybe find another team. I quite happily went 1-47 with a build that A) had attacks, B) didn't have stamina C) ran toggles (SS, SJ/CJ, Acro, Assualt, Tactics) and D) also used Team Teleport to bounce around on occasion and the only reason I changed that build is because high skill arena pvp requires a build that's a bit more min/maxed for the task.
Rant over, for now.
Gotta agree with DC, even if you don't want to Blast theres a few powers in each set that have strong debuffs or soft control thrown in there too which can really fit into a "I support & buff my teammates rather than killing things myself" build (that description really needs work. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue like Pure Build).
After all you're a team build. So your Tank or Controller teamie should be holding or disapating any aggro so go nuts with Tenb Tentacles (controllers will love you) or Irradiate just before the Blaster unloads with an AOE. Or help the scrapper out by focusing on debuffing the damage resistance or recharge of that +2 boss with a series of single target attacks from Sonic or Psy.
Actually for a Support Orientated Empath Archery seems like the weakest choice, it has few secondary effects and seems to be AOE intensive without any decent debuffs attached to them.
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You've 6-slotted Clear Mind?
And may I ask, what's the fourth slot in Resurect for?
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Res is 3 rechg 1 end (Its rarely used but i do play on pick up teams that have all over the shoppers sometimes). If 2 ppl may go down at once and the longer the 2nd has to wait the less dps or whatever it is i cant make up for the team does.
Clearmind is range slotted as well as 3 rechg and end slotted. With cm I may either want to buff the whole team in minimum time at once and/or stay out of range of aoes when using it sometimes or become a statistic myself so therefore recharge, end and range. I dont know if you have noticed but to keep out of ghost widows aoe and buff then you are better of with range slots, your no good to anyone either dead or mezzed.
I also take the PoV that if a team wanted a blaster they would of asked for one, i see mine as a buffer and controller (psy epic) mainly any attack of long action time is hindering my ability to react.
On a good team i can afford to attack but its not my priority in every team so it takes a back seat.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Clearmind ... 3 rechg
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i do the whole team in 1 go faster, if its 1 rechg itll be doing the team more seperately and herobuilder is wrong for the recharge time of this power. 3 recharge makes a difference from 2 recharge but fact is i like doing the whole team as fast as possible between groups and not have a blaster asking for cm ever. Its a personal preference not a must have.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Soooo being an Empath only is wrong? It is thought we should get stuck in well read my Empath build I posted.. then explain to me how a Psy Powered Empath is to be offensive while i go make that toon
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No. What he means is don't hang around like a coward at the back. Get in the thick of things so Healing Aura actually heals the people in melee.
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i do the whole team in 1 go faster, if its 1 rechg itll be doing the team more seperately and herobuilder is wrong for the recharge time of this power. 3 recharge makes a difference from 2 recharge but fact is i like doing the whole team as fast as possible between groups and not have a blaster asking for cm ever. Its a personal preference not a must have.
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You realise that the last two slots combined don't even knock off one second from the recharge time right?
With one recharge slotted, it recharges faster than the activation time. Any extra slots are a waste.
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With one recharge slotted, it recharges faster than the activation time. Any extra slots are a waste.
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Ugh, more Empathy defenders that think it's cool to hang back all the time "healing". Get stuck in people!
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Maybe an overstatement of what the AT isn't supposed to do.. but hey you know.. just for the hell of it
When I get chance later.. I'm gonna make a toon.. tis an Empath Defender..
here's my 15second-build idea
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Defender
Primary: Empathy
Secondary: Psychic Blast
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01) --> Healing Aura==> Heal Heal Heal Rechg Rechg EndRdx
01) --> Mental Blast==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
02) --> Subdue==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
04) --> Psionic Lance==> Acc Rechg Range Dmg Dmg Dmg
06) --> Air Superiority==> Acc Acc
08) --> Swift==> Run
10) --> Psychic Scream==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg Rechg
14) --> Fly==> Fly
16) --> Telekinetic Blast==> Acc Acc Rechg
18) --> Health==> Heal
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod EndMod EndMod
22) --> Will Domination==> Acc Acc Sleep Sleep
24) --> Assault==> EndRdx EndRdx EndRdx
26) --> Recovery Aura==> Rechg Rechg Rechg
28) --> Psionic Tornado==> Acc Acc Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
30) --> Tactics==> EndRdx EndRdx EndRdx
32) --> Regeneration Aura==> Rechg Rechg Rechg
35) --> Scramble Thoughts==> Acc Acc Rechg DisDur DisDur
38) --> Psychic Wail==> Acc Rechg Rechg Dmg Dmg Dmg
41) --> Power Build Up==> Rechg Rechg Rechg
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes DmgRes DmgRes EndRdx
47) --> Total Focus==> Acc Acc EndRdx Dmg Dmg Dmg
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg Rechg
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty
01) --> Sprint==> Empty
01) --> Brawl==> Empty
01) --> Vigilance==> Empty
02) --> Rest==> Empty
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LOL, slot all the good attacks wrong, why don't you?
I don't know the Psi set very well :P and it was a 15second idea -- on a powerset trying to be "offensive". lol
How can I improve on it, if such a think is possible?
Concept: a PSI-Blaster 
Focus on Subdue, TK Blast and Will Domination. Those are all short animation, reasonably high damage attacks. Any Psy defender that has some spare slots(which shouldn't be any problem after ED), should look into these attacks(especially TK blast).
Psychic Wail can be fun as well, for people that like nuking. I haven't used it since ED came out, but I used to enjoy clearing huge mobs with it back in I4.
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Could do a Rad/Psy Offender. Very effective indeed. Or you could go Kin/Psy for Fulcrum Shifted Psychic Wail.
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Focus on Subdue, TK Blast and Will Domination. Those are all short animation, reasonably high damage attacks. Any Psy defender that has some spare slots(which shouldn't be any problem after ED), should look into these attacks(especially TK blast).
Psychic Wail can be fun as well, for people that like nuking. I haven't used it since ED came out, but I used to enjoy clearing huge mobs with it back in I4.
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Could do a Rad/Psy Offender. Very effective indeed. Or you could go Kin/Psy for Fulcrum Shifted Psychic Wail.
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Could do a Rad/Psy Offender.
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Sounds very Rikti like.. and tbh, was an idea I had when I created that toon on Defiant, might just go with it, as well.
But last thing I want is a RAD defender with Psi powers.. would be going 99% Psi based, maybe "Radiant Aura" and "Accelerated Metabolism", the rest, Psi or Power Pool.
Now to figure out the best Slotting setup.
jeez gang up on me why dont you i didnt say that all i said is personally i dont have attacks on my healer becuase personally i would rather be focussed on keeping the team alive/buffed than think about attacks along with using up slots in them that could be better used elsewhere.. I AM NOT HAVING A GO AT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ATTACKS I AM MERELY STATING A FACT I DONT HAVE ANY!! jeez now i know why i dont post on here very often (been registered since may 2004 when i got my own account). This thread is supposed to be about helping someone with there build not having a debate about healing and whether they should or shouldnt have attacks its meaningless and quite frankly i dont give a damm everyones build is different and everyone has a different experience/playstyle and as i have already stated MH has had attacks but i removed them found them a waste of power slot space and enhancement slots for the occasional use i got out of them . i instead due to restriction on pools have the entire fitness pool which gives me great movement and endurance/health regen and i have the entire leadership pool.. giving my team mates the best possible buffs i can give the only power i am missing that i would love to have is hasten. But like all of the pools its not essential. what makes the Empath road so fun is that everyone is different i have seen very few builds that are the same also how people slot the powers seems to vary as well but we all share a common thing we are there to support the team and keep them alive regardless of what powers you have or dont have as long as you are doing this the rest is meaningless because at the end of the day what matters is the simple question "Am i doing my job as an Empath/Healer?" whether its priamry or secondary (i have seen some bloody good empath trollers out there!!!)