Haven't done a Recluse's strike force in ages...
By
beyondtrial,
Posted on: 2006-09-29 05:26 in Union (EU)
If Mortana is on you should give him a buzz, he'll certainly be up for it with his lv50 MM (necro/poison/soul).
Just remember there is a run on the COP Trial on test this sat so best to arrange around that 
That said post a day and a time - I would be interested in joining as I have'nt tried one yet !
Im interested, got a DM/elec brute at lv50, and probably have a SS/elec at lv45 by then. My first and only attempt we got to the final mission but it was late and it fell apart. We had 2 MM, 2 stalkers, /stone and me as dm/elec, no corr. We got by when I eventually persuaded the group to go get reds when facing an AV, despite getting "lol"'ed at by a stalker.
With my SS I can do significantly more damage however, Ive got AVs to half health solo, and with an arachnos mace temp power Id be more effective.
Still I believe stalkers could add a whole new lvl of damage, Ive played an EM/DA stalker to lv41 and on teams I could take down bosses in 4 or 5 hits. U just need to avoid getting 1 hit by an AV when playing a stalker (which shouldnt be too hard with hit & run tactics).
Masterminds and corruptors are pretty similar really, and yes reds help a lot. Well if enough people are interested I so far plan on starting it sunday at 11:00. I do want a few corruptors/masterminds with ok sets though.
Hope I can still find some more people to join up. By the way in the last mission 50s are much more useful than 49s (or even worse 48s you can't sidekick up) due to the huge penalties against +5s
Not many people interested in this strike force these days it seems.
11am was a bit early for me it seems, Im up for 1 now.
I'm doing positron now pretty soon, if enough people are still interested in the evening I'd always be up for it, I just don't see too many people who want to join.
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Not many people interested in this strike force these days it seems.
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Pretty much. After the amount of drop outs on the last one I organised and the fact so many people who signed up didn't even bother turning up(5 no show out of 8 was pretty damn poor), i've given up organsing them on the forums and stick to our weekly SG only one.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs that the SF is now only being completed by certain SG's after the first runs were so public and open to anyone but I think the response to this thread has unfortunately shown why that's the case 
I read in people LFT comment, that they often are willing to do strike forces, but not everyone reads the forums. I would guess the majority dont read them.
I'm not using my corruptor much these days, and no one looks at a low level search comment if you want to do the strike force.
It's kind of sad that so many people only do the strike force with their villain groups. Still... I'll keep on trying to set one up here, hope it'll work out one day or another.
If people are interested today, I'd aim at a 18:00-19:00 start. Maybe I'll find more people today.
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Masterminds and corruptors are pretty similar really, and yes reds help a lot. Well if enough people are interested I so far plan on starting it sunday at 11:00. I do want a few corruptors/masterminds with ok sets though.
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The thread got lots of views so you could try again giving longer notice and a different time. I can usually offer one evening a week or fortnight to help people on CoV with something. (CoH, or teaming with some1 from my CoH SG on CoV, takes up the rest of my time online).
I'm not convinced that you will get enough response to an evening time, but no harm in trying. However, a weekend day time is usually out for me, so I couldn't offer to help then.
Also I'm fully aware of the need for debuffs/buffs to suceed in taking on the final AVs. However, I'm not convinced that the strike force hasn't been a somewhat negative experience for some players. This may hold somepeople back from offering to join.
When Black Jon Budd was running his attempts he put me in every team I offered to join and had a 100% success rate when I was in the team. He completed it once with 3 MMs in the team, 2 being FF. On an occasion when the initial pull went badly rather than reset we did a frontal assault buffed by my vengance.
However, when the SF was run by other people my toon was often at the end of the wanted list because of the powersets. This may put some people of putting themself forward as they have been passed over before.
I hope the developers don't design Statesman's task force in such a way that certain powersets are seen as much more important than others. Otherwise we could have similiar issues with that.
Paragon Girl
well, i still try to run them at times, tho i find it hard to get corrs interested i dont really agrea on corrs and MMs being close in performance in RSF, since MMs are usually useless for dmg after the 1st min of combat (this since pets buffs wear off, and the die very, very fast and its mostly very hard to respawn them (this is when u stopped pulling and do the head-on strike) and dont forget about scourge that is very handy to increase DPS... but yes, i was with BJB when we did it with 3 MMs, we also did one run with 6 corrs, 1 brute, 1 dom and faild... i also done it with only 1 corr (kin) and succeded... BJB and myself have 2 of the most useless ATs (in my oppinion, so dont flame me on that one) for RSF, but we done very good results (BJBs astonnishing records shows it all) its alot about skill and how u handle ur char, not really what sets u got. tho some configs tend to work faster atleast.. such as rads and kins improves DPS for entire team alot.
anyway, since im still running RSFs (mostly SG-runs) drop me a tell if ur interested in joining the runs.. usually we need corrs (no dark tho lol) and unfortunatly space is limited for other ATs, but there is no harm in sending a tell, and ill see what i can do =)
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well, i still try to run them at times, tho i find it hard to get corrs interested i dont really agrea on corrs and MMs being close in performance in RSF, since MMs are usually useless for dmg after the 1st min of combat (this since pets buffs wear off, and the die very, very fast and its mostly very hard to respawn them
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And yet Maximillian and those have tried claim that MM's don't need tweaking for this SF 
, nice to know I'm not the only one on the forums who sees the problem of MM's pretty much being without primaries for this SF, unless you get miraculous pulls, and so not nearly as useful as Brutes and Corrs.
But anyway, as I said before, if you send a tell to Mortana (global) he'll gladly team with [u]you Frosthound[u] for it (think it's a case of villain worship 
), he should be able to get others for you too.
I'm not particularly interested for the very reason of MMs=pretty bad on LRSF so with Mortana you'll already have one, no sense in filling up on padding.
Anyway, good luck with this.
Yes, Mortana already contacted me a bit, I couldn't find more people though so no strike force
Yes Masterminds have their issues with damage dealing (the penalty of fighting +5 and +6 are just too big in game, hardly any damage left, and they are much harder to buff damage wise, only a kinetic or radiation corruptor can help really, other ATs can just use rage inspirations) but still their secondaries can be quite helpful (Mainly Dark, Force Fields and Poison).
The team set up is kind of important though in pick up strike force teams. If you don't know the players you have to be sure at least 2-3 of the players with the better sets know what they are doing. The only way I know is to invite enough of them (so like at least 4 buff/debuff sets). If you know the players are good, or got the choice of whom to invite to your team you can make a successful run with fewer people. I've once organized a run with a pretty nice combination of powersets but in the end it failed because hardly anyone knew how to use them.
*edit: Oh forgot, if anyone is doing this strike force and need another Ice/cold corruptor, feel free to contract me. (/t @pythia)
Hi Frost
<--- Glutton for punishment. Yeah Im up for trying the LRSF again. Id love to go on at least one successful run with Baron Steelfist (my bot/dark MM) before I retire him in favour of my other more LRSF-worthy characters (mainly brutes): Although recently Ive been focused on levelling my old pre-I7 main character, an FM/FA brute - he should hopefully be 50 sometime this month, then I can bring him instead
Mortana is my SG-mate and we both got a bit jaded after around half a dozen fails each, most of them 5-6 hour runs, and no successes. Were well aware that too many MMs (/Doms/Stalkers) are a liability on the LRSF and are often a big factor in failing because of lack of damage (most of the runs Ive been on have had 3 MMs) - I was about ready to stop volunteering when the runs ceased being arranged on the forums, around the time BJB quit.
Anyway thats beside the point. Sign me up, but I think it would be a waste of everyones time if you took me on a run that already had 2 MMs/Stalkers/Doms (unless you were really desperate for some -regen debuffing) - and I dont want to feel responsible for any more fails. Certainly take Mortana ahead of Baron Steelfist, but if you end up doing multiple runs then I would appreciate Baron being slotted in somewhere - so basically Id like to have my name down early for one of the pity-spots in future 
Got 2 nukes and 5 shivans so Im ready to go, but week days are difficult for me before 8-9pm (Saturday or Sunday are best).
Either that or Ill be back in a month as a brute
EDIT - maybe it's not just me that finds early weekdays tricky - perhaps if you tried an 8pm or even 9pm start instead you might get more takers, Frost (I'd be up for that, with a couple of day's notice). Just occurs to me that people getting home from work are probably eating their dinner around 6-7pm. Most people I know can play til midnight so 8pm start still gives you around 4 hours - LRSFs taking longer than that are having problems and are probably doomed to fail anyway /shrug
Most people always said it's bad if I start late during the weekdays... but ok will try a later start again then... if it helps...
Seeing the general lack of responses I had so far and knowing how hard it can be to find enough capable players and corruptors I was thinking... maybe it would be a good idea to set up some in game channel for the strike force? It's often hard to easily make it known you want to run it at a certain time and hard to know who had level 50 villains if you just go by the in game search. I just created an in game channel named RSF in case anyone is interested in the idea and wants a chance to get invited to a recluse strike force even when on an alt.
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Most people always said it's bad if I start late during the weekdays... but ok will try a later start again then... if it helps...
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Fair enough - probably just me then I can't really make anything before 8pm on a weekday, though any time at the weekend would work for me.
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Seeing the general lack of responses I had so far and knowing how hard it can be to find enough capable players and corruptors I was thinking... maybe it would be a good idea to set up some in game channel for the strike force? It's often hard to easily make it known you want to run it at a certain time and hard to know who had level 50 villains if you just go by the in game search. I just created an in game channel named RSF in case anyone is interested in the idea and wants a chance to get invited to a recluse strike force even when on an alt.
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There already is a channel - I think its called Lord Recluse Strike Force - anyway I have it on most of my characters so when I log in Ill PM you the name. Its very quiet now, but at one stage it did have a lot of the movers and shakers logged into it. Usually about a dozen people on it most nights and nobody talking
As for why enthusiasm for doing pick-up LRSFs has died out on Union, Id say BJB quitting is the main reason - his success-rate was quite infectious and no doubt drew in a lot of the LRSF activity on this forum. Also most of my global friends with L50 villains seem to have either quit, gone back to CoH, or are working on new alts (like we are) - it wouldnt surprise me if this was a server-wide trend now that were well past the rush of L40s racing to L50 in the wake of I7 - so there may not be many people around with 50s they want to play.
Also if several SGs are doing in-house LRSFs (now that they have more L50 SG-mates) then that also draws away some of the people who would have been up for doing pick-ups.
I think keeping a sign-up thread active here is a good start, tied in with an in-game channel, and see if we can drum up enough support to get some semi-regular teams going for it. I don't think it will happen overnight though - not everyone reads the forums or even knows that custom channels exist. We probably need the forum thread and channel more than most, as we're rarely playing our 50s anymore.
Well I have to admit I've stopped checking the forum as regularly now that BJBs weekly LRSF sign-ups have gone. That said, I'm still up for LRSF with Kazail (EM/Dark brute) and in a couple more weeks I'll have a Son/Kin coruptor up in the LRSF level range.
Weekdays after 6pm and weekends after 1pm are best for me.
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There already is a channel - I think its called Lord Recluse Strike Force - anyway I have it on most of my characters so when I log in Ill PM you the name.
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I just told Frost about this in-game, but just for the record I'm going to post the channel-name here: it's Recluse Strike Force - usually 10-20 people in it.
I'd like to suggest that anyone interested in doing a pick-up LRSF should join that channel, and then make sure you add it to one of your active chat tabs on all of your characters (I've been guilty of forgetting to do this with some of my characters), then you'll know if Frost or someone else is organising an LRSF.
Anyway if we want to get any LRSFs done then I think we have until I8/9, when the additions to CoH (including their own LRSF equivalent) will probably drag away even more CoV players. Hopefully the CoH LRSF-equivalent will have less undesirable builds than the CoV LRSF, though teams probably wont be wanting more than one tanker and I fear for controllers who dont have the right secondaries (though they probably won't have it as bad as MMs ). Guess well have to wait and see.
The hero equivalent will be I9 from what the devs said, so probably next spring at a vague guess. I have my mastermind at lvl 47 now (almost 48) and feeling ready to get into a RSF soon
Anyone interested for saturday or sunday at 13:00 ?
Sorry weekend days are out for me. Given notice can usually make an evening, although I usually help my CoH SG on a Sunday evening.
Arachnos Girl
Since I haven't done any RSF run for weeks I thought I could try to organize one again. Maybe today in the evening? Or during the weekend in the morning? How is it looking, anyone interested?