Ice / Super strength.
Has high single target damage and knockdown, plus a Hold.
/NRG, /SS or /Axe.
I would recomend Ice/Energy you realy can't go wrong with that and it kicks [censored]
GO NRG FTW!!!
Great damage for a tank set, excellent in PvP with its Stun chances and bursts of really heavy damage with Build Up + Energy Transfer and/or Total focus. Its a late bloomer in PvP but really solid. In PvE Whirling Hands gives good AoE damage and Aggro grab.
NRG FTW!!!!! ok so I may have said that before but its really rather good....
Have fun 
Cheers,
White 
If you plan on doing PVP is Sirens, don't take /NRG as it only get's good past lv 30. Get /Superstrenght instead
My Ice/Energy is quite good in sirens to be honest
im looking at hero planner and in sirens i wont get ET or total focus so i think SS will be better.
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My Ice/Energy is quite good in sirens to be honest
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well, I guess it depends on what you define as good. My Ice/Nrg is pretty damn hard to kill and can taunt everyone to hell, but that's it basically. So, if you like pure Tanking, that's very possible, but that's not the reason people pick NRG secondary.
On my Tank I can hit someone with a Built Up Bonesmasher, but that won't even get a squishy close to death. Maybe if you also have Energy Punch, Whirling Hands and Icicles, you might be able to do some damage, but I don't think you'll be taking out anyone on a Ice/nrg Tank before lv 30. You simply lack the damage.
Superstrength however, gets both Knockout Blow and Rage before lv 30. These are both great powers to have in a zone like Siren's Call. An SS Tank can have a full damaging attack chain before lv 30.
So you might be able to build an Ice/Nrg to be reasonable good in Sirens, it's just easier and more effective to simply use another primary which matures faster. My choice then goes to Superstrength.
Now, if we're talking Warburg... that's completely different. Nrg really get's good then, really really good. A huge difference from Siren's Call.
I would guess Ice/stone would be ok in Sirens. The reason smash/lethal sucks later on is the shields given to all hero squshies. Doing 20-30% less damage really shows.
I dont have hero builder installed atm, so I cant look at the numbers, but I seem to remember stone being better than SS at that lvl. I might be wrong though.
A Paragon Defender
I think Stone is worse than SS at level 30. SS get it's big attack at level 20, Stone gets it at level 38.
Also for PvE SS is very good as Rage makes damage auras pretty effective.
@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.
ss, ss is a lot better for pve as well and perma rage is nice means you wont get effected by tohitdebuffs.
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ss, ss is a lot better for pve as well and perma rage is nice means you wont get effected by tohitdebuffs.
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Does rage give resistance to tohit debuffs?? I'm guessing you would be less effected by them, but I doubt you won't be affected by them at all.
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ss, ss is a lot better for pve as well and perma rage is nice means you wont get effected by tohitdebuffs.
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Does rage give resistance to tohit debuffs?? I'm guessing you would be less effected by them, but I doubt you won't be affected by them at all.
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still if u slot rage with 3 tohitbuffs and attacks with 2 accuracy you can hit through the radiation debuffs. but if you get two rads on you i bet you wont be able to.
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I think Stone is worse than SS at level 30. SS get it's big attack at level 20, Stone gets it at level 38.
Also for PvE SS is very good as Rage makes damage auras pretty effective.
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Yeah. Like I said, I didnt look a hero builder before posting. Since brutes get the lvl38 tanker attack at lvl 18, I was pretty sure, it would be a lvl28 attack instead of lvl38. I didnt roll a new toon to check. Without that attack SS>stone in sirens ofc. I would still say stone primary for brutes is better than SS in Sirens.
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My Ice/Energy is quite good in sirens to be honest
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well, I guess it depends on what you define as good. My Ice/Nrg is pretty damn hard to kill and can taunt everyone to hell, but that's it basically. So, if you like pure Tanking, that's very possible, but that's not the reason people pick NRG secondary.
On my Tank I can hit someone with a Built Up Bonesmasher, but that won't even get a squishy close to death. Maybe if you also have Energy Punch, Whirling Hands and Icicles, you might be able to do some damage, but I don't think you'll be taking out anyone on a Ice/nrg Tank before lv 30. You simply lack the damage.
Superstrength however, gets both Knockout Blow and Rage before lv 30. These are both great powers to have in a zone like Siren's Call. An SS Tank can have a full damaging attack chain before lv 30.
So you might be able to build an Ice/Nrg to be reasonable good in Sirens, it's just easier and more effective to simply use another primary which matures faster. My choice then goes to Superstrength.
Now, if we're talking Warburg... that's completely different. Nrg really get's good then, really really good. A huge difference from Siren's Call.
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Oh I meant defense wise sorry, my attack is pretty weak in sirens.
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Ice / Super strength.
Has high single target damage and knockdown, plus a Hold.
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imho disorient > hold in pvp (speaking of non-troller non-dom holds).
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Ice / Super strength.
Has high single target damage and knockdown, plus a Hold.
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imho disorient > hold in pvp (speaking of non-troller non-dom holds).
[/ QUOTE ]Indeed, if you only have one ST mez, stun and sleep are the best.
Im looking to make a pvp tank build, that can deal a lotta dmg, but can also stand a fight. I would also like to be not bad in pve. I have decided on ice but not sure wat second set to go for.